Well I don't believe the State owns the deer. They just manage the hunting for the PEOPLE.

As far as communication between clubs and landowners...what part of No Trespassing or NO HUNTING is hard to understand?

The dog hunters communicate the fact that they have NO RESPECT for private property by sending their dogs across the land...and the landowner communicates that HE'S FED UP and will do whatever it takes to stop it.

Well Guys, I give up and Hokie Dokie boy wins!! I'm going to trade deer hunting for trapping. Thanks for the suggestion, (whomever you are). I've got two dozen traps in the shed that haven't been used in 20 years. I do have alot of foxes on my farm, so what the hell.

If I recall how to do it, it goes something like this. Dig a small hole 8 inches deep, place alpo or some other yummy canine food in the hole and alllll arooouuund it. Spary it down with deer urine (cover scent), and wait for the foxes. (Opps, nearly forgot the placement of leg hold or neck snap traps. Gee I hope I catch quite a few. I'll just post my property with trapping signs, (the kind dog hunters can read if there is such a thing), and let the crying begin. The best part of all, it's legal. I can even trap on Sundays!!! Gee now that's a touchy subject ain't it?

I'll just paws awhile when I check my traps. Can't wait till next season!!

Someone on another site said a lure called "WidowMaker" will draw in every dog within miles. I mean fox. Got to get used to that. # 1 1/2 coil spring jump or # 2 should work. I used to trap and caught a few foxes in my day. Caught a dog a time or two as well. Dog gone it! LOL

Big Bird,
We need to get together and go trapping some time. At least we can do that on Sundays and still enjoy the other six days as well. (LOL) I've trapped a many fox in my time, I'll try the oversized version now I guess. Coyotes are becoming a threat. Maybe we can cut them off before they become a problem? Don't they put out poison for those out west? I believe on Sundays too? Coyotes that is. Coyotes can't read signs either. If they could, I'd just put up signs and keep them off I guess. (KIR)

Widow Maker has been around for years and it is good stuff.. However mixing fox trapping and Coyotes are two different things. Remember foxes #1.5s you don't want to break the leg just hold it. 1.5s won't hold a medium to larger coyote but 2s should... If you have bigger coyotes go with 2.5s but consider "offsets" they don't snap the leg bones so bad. There are a lot of coyote lures out there ifthats what your setting for, you will see them under titles like canine baits/lures. May want to try a few sets of both see what works best for ya.

I wouldn't recommend trapping anyones dogs, you are asking for some serious problems and in most cases it is not the dogs to blame if you are having issues with dog hunters. There are better ways to remedy problems than intentionally breaking the law (which is what you would be doing if you set out to trap someones dogs) even if you tryto disguise it as something else you are stooping pretty low and breaking the law.

Reswire I noticed your post on the Sunday hunting thread in regards to if there is a group that supports Sunday hunting, if you find anything let us know I am interested in the history of the votes on it and what kind of representation hunters for Sunday hunting have. I know ButchA has some info on it somaybe he could chime in.

Lets see I've heard 30+ years of "they're running foxes" when they were actually deer hounds. So I guess they can hear a few years of "I'm trapping foxes". We learned from them. When they quit letting deer hounds run out of season they won't have to worry about such things.
Like they say "prove it".

You guys are going to have some serious problems on your hands when you catch someone's dogs and they find out. Just a fair warning before it escalates into something you can't handle. You should take your concerns to the state of Virginia. Your going to catch the wrong person's dog and I hate to see the outcome- it's just a fair warning, you need to think it through before you do it.

Bryant1

How can one prove someone wasn't trapping foxes or coyotes? And how do you suggest setting a trap for a fox or coyote that a dog won't get into?

My suggestion would be for the dog owner to ensure that his dog didn't go onto someone elses property.

I am telling you this so you wont get yourbutt whipped or worse-killed. Remeber there are alot of them and 1 of you, but good for you; take it out on the dog that will show them-

I'm outta this post it hasn't gone anywheresince the firstpage anyway....