Coyotes...worth it??
 

OKay so here is the deal...in my woods there are quite a bit of coyotes...over the years i thought the population died of somewhat but last year on my property they made their selves known. 11 o clock at night and heard a pack yelping in my back yard...another pack howling at the end of my drive way...and ANOTHER pack behind my driveway...this is the first time that i have heard them in almost 7 years...but i have also notice since then...i have no seen as much turkeys.(deer population is still the same it seems...less bucks though)
so my question is i dont want to go out there and slaughter them for no reason!! i do have a german shepard that i leave outside during the day in the back yard on a run...but never a problem. BUT sometimes i have to leave outside for a hour or two at night when my parents visit andbring the baby downstairs because the dog is not a big fan of the baby lol. I eat whatever i hunt...but i dont know about coyotes lol. Is it worth it for me to go after these guys for my turkey population? is there any benefit to downing the population? can i do anything with it after the kill? i dont want to kill it and just let it rot in the woods. if its not worth it to do anything or does not help with anything then i dont want to break a cycle of anything...could they be the reason the turkey population has decreased so much? Where i live its hard to find turkey hunting grounds(to get permission from land owners) and the local fishing and hunting club is always packed...what would you do and what is your opinion?

Kill everyone you can..........................You could NEVER kill them all.

The game population will love you for it !

Skin them then it's worth it - winter pelts.

Enjoy the great outdoors !

Sounds like a lot of coyotes. We found a fur buyer in our area who will buy our pelts taken from Nov. to mid March. If we don't want to skin stretch and sew the hide he will give us 50% of what we get from the prepared hide. We don't hunt them just in the winter we hunt them 7 days a week 12 months a year. Most of our summer hunting are problem coyotes cattle and sheep farmers call us to take care of.

Down below I have recipes for coyote. We only take parts of young ones to cook and they are as tasty as any thing when cooked properly.

Once you take out a goodly number and put enough pressure on the coyotes they will leave the area. the other game animals will rebound with no coyotes to eat the turkey eggs and little chicks before they can fly. The fawns will live to grow into adult deer and if does have babies of their own.
I second hunt and kill every coyote you can. You can make some pretty good money if you learn to skin stretch and sew and have a fur buyer to sell to.


:D Al

I don't want to say waste the animals but fur is one method. You can google for plenty of recipes but other than that yes take them out as many as you can.

Yotes can wreak havoc on upland game bird populations as well as turkeys and deer.

Shoot every one you see. If u don't skin them, leave them in the woods and see how long they last...not long. Just cuz you don't eat them doesn't mean something else won't. Kill them all and don't have a conscience about it! You'll be doing way more good than bad. there's a reason many states have year round seasons with minimal restrictions.

I think it's pretty simple - if you don't see a reason and don't have a desire to hunt coyotes, then don't hunt coyotes.

I can say with confidence that you can hunt enough to impact your other game populations, but that's really just by applying pressure and driving them out, not really by eliminating population. Equally, I can say with confidence that you'll never be able to decimate their population to create an imbalance in their "cycle." If there's food, coyotes will be there.

If you're a die hard turkey hunter and want to foster your turkey population, then hunting some coyotes will help. You'll also likely be surprised what it does for your deer herd, even though you already have a reasonable population.

As for your dog - a large dog - there's really only one time of year where such a big dog would be at risk, unless it goes running off into the night chasing a coyote. In the pre-breeding and breeding seasons, males get very territorial, so they're more apt to come near homes and attack large dogs. Small dogs are a snack any time of year, but big dogs usually aren't a target except for the late Dec through early Feb timeline, and dawn/dusk/night are the high risk times even in that period.

So again - there's a few "if's" for you to consider - if you're a die hard gobbler hunter, or don't want to manage your dog's outside time during the late winter and spring, then you'd be motivated to apply hunting pressure to coyotes. If you're not, then why would you hunt something you don't care to hunt?

To add some experience with dogs, out in California we had a few issues on base where some large dogs where killed. Cant recall the time line to say if it coincides with what was mentioned above but several coyotes in a pack can be very deadly and could attempt to take a single dog on if they felt like it. One was a weimaraner which I wouldn't think of as a small dog.

I have watched coyotes chasing turkey's in broad daylight and even had them come in and inspect me while I was calling in turkey's. They will lessen the game numbers out there. I like to hunt them for the challenge and the extra hunting time added to whitetail deer and wild turkey hunting.

My brother stricly hunts coyotes and his situation sounds like yours plus them coming into his yard to attack his pets and intruding on his in-laws livestock. He never hunted then one day he was all about hunting yotes for the reason of disliking them for being troublesome.

I have seen deer overhunted to the point I would rarely see one and it would take a couple of years to get their numbers back up. I have never seen coyote numbers dwindle like that on properties they are hunted or trapped.

Hunt them a lill every one you can. You will not wipe them out because they will respond to being pressured by having more pups but they may move elsewhere. There shouldn't even be coyotes in NY state, just like they should not be in my state, PA. The coyotes you and we have have wolf blood in them and are bigger than the standard coyote. I can attest to attacks on people in PA. If you have that many singing, their choir needs to be made smaller.

Like most predators and prey they go through population cycles. The prey population increases (typically Rodents for Coyote) the predator population increases until they deplete the prey population and you end up with a peak of half starved and desperate predators.

You may be doing them a service reducing their numbers and smoothing out the peaks and valleys in the population.

The litter size seems to be directly proportionate to the available territory and the availability of game. So after you thin them out, they have larger litters.

In a balanced ecosystem their are few Coyotes, mostly the Wolves won't tolerate them. The Coyotes won't tolerate Fox. You are likely the closest thing to a wolf to do the job.

They tend to pack together when the youguns get old enough to hunt in the fall and they may go after larger game. They would periodically make a raid through my old neighborhood and get every Cat and small dog they could. Back then the municipality paid $12.50 an ear bounty.

Check with the DNR, there may be a bounty. Some states do, some don't.

High Coyote populations spread disease, Mange and others way nastier.

If you decide to skin them, they do have nice winter pelts, keep this in mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echino...multilocularis no cure, fatal in 10-20 years.

Gloves, face mask, wash your clothes above 160 F and transport the dead Coyote in plastic trash bags. Disinfect your work area.

NY doesn't have wolves. You really should know something instead of googling for something to say before you make a post to answer a question. When someone asks a serious question they deserve a real answer, not some googled compilation of nothing.

Your reading comprehension isn't working well, what I said was their are no or (in many places) few Wolves to keep the Coyote population in check. The only thing left is starvation, disease and man.

Sure I study and research, I've also been hunting Coyote since around 1963. And when I wasn't hunting yotes I was hunting Fox pretty much continuously and not a whole lot different than Yotes.

Who lite the fuse on your Tampon? You really should cut back on the booze.

I always figure, get as much info as possible and let someone make their own decisions.

You seem to be a belligerent drunk always looking for a fight.

My way might be more informative.

Actually Oldtimr, you get a few in Upstate Ny roaming in from Canada. No real packs yet that I have heard about but I do keep my eye out for word of them. Roamers are getting more and more frequent around the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains. It's been my experience over the years that when you start getting more roamer sightings, packs are sure to follow.

As far as the OP's question, old swifty (220 swift) accompanies me on to the back porch near every evening. More than a few yotes have been taken that way :D but I try my best to smack every single one I see. Like Oldtimr and the others have stated, you wont kill them all but you will certainly change their habits! Yotes are pretty smart when it comes to avoiding you.

My reading comprehension is just fine. Good enough to be able to divine out a load of crap when I see. If you don't know something, don't say anything about it. You seem to think you are fooling people into believing you know everything about everything and it is obvious you know little about a lot. I know you hate being outed, there is a solution, stop the pretension.

I know super, but there is no evidence of a breeding population in NY. The question had nothing to do with wolves, it was about coyotes and whether or not to kill them on the OP's property. It wasn't asking about a google dissertation.

The only thing I left out is in the spring, after the pups are weaned, the parents are hunting most anything that moves and they can take down. They almost double their hunting hours, sometimes way late into the morning hours and earlier in the evening.

The Yotes you take out now are likely to save a whole lot of small game and their young in the spring. Even fawns and Sheep.

You are also educating the survivors to avoid man.

He seemed conflicted and my point was, only man, disease and hunger to thin out their numbers. You may be doing some the favor of an early death instead of starvation, disease or a lingering death if you thin them out some.

But I'm obviously wasting my breath, you just want a fight.

thank you for the replies everyone! and please try to keep it peaceful :) its funny because one response i read was "when i am turkey hunting i see them come in to my calls" 5 years ago...i was calling with my slate call the day after i killed a decent gobbler in the spring. i heard rustling in the bushes...and holy crap what do you know a huge 10 pointer came out from a swamp trail...he came out looked to his left and started grunting and stomping at two does...then started to follow them...10 mins later for the first time in my life i saw it....coming out from the same trail as that buck did....a huge coy dog........i was shocked...and some in awe because it was not the size from what ive seen online..it was massive!! i was impressed to be honest...then about 6months after that...one of our neighbors lost their golden retriever puppy late at night somehow it got loose from their run. Their puppy ended up tangled with the run in the bushes of my house..my rhodesian ridgeback at that time was acting very funny then aggressive...check it out the coy dogs were barking and making other sounds in my drive way and my flood lights scared them off...they were coming after the tangled pup. i dont know if anyone around here does the furs or anything so how would i go about finding out...last time i check there is no limit on how many coy dogs you can take here in my county of NY.(last year i checked) i have really noticed a decrease in the population of turkey and that is why i have been tinkering with the idea. How do they get along with the foxes by the way? i see the fox population and coy dog population are about the same...i was shocked the first timei heard a fox yell at midnight lol

The onset of the coyote here in New England and Eastern NY has changed my hunting.

There used to be woodchuck hunting and I enjoyed the rifle shooting and the farmers welcomed me.

The coyotes have been here now for a decade or more. They have eliminated woodchuck hunting as I knew it.

Not that one .................anymore !!

Good job bud !

Dogs are usually bigger boned and slower than Fox, except maybe for the pure speed dogs. My guess is Coy Dogs have a hard time catching Fox. A skinned Fox, without all the fur, looks a lot like a Whippet or a small Greyhound.

Pure Coyotes are fast and I have rarely seen many Foxes in Coyote country. Coyotes are also diggers and likely dig the Fox kits out of their dens. The same in Europe, where you see Jackals you see few Fox. Off topic but around here we have Fox overload, 400 miles to the south east and you see more Jackals and Lynx than Fox. Sure there is some overlap, but the tendency seems to be to kill off predatory rivals. The European Yote is about the same size as a large Red Fox, but the Yotes have stronger jaws.

Studies say the Southern Red Wolf is 80% Coyote now, they also say it is 50% dog, which leads me to believe they really don't know what the heck it is. Evolution in progress.

They say since the reintroduction of Grey Wolves in various places, the Coyote population is down around 30%. My guess is the Coyote numbers would be even lower if the Wolves were a little faster or there were more Wolves. If they did much interbreeding, one or the other would eventually disappear or morph into a new sub species.

A side note, Coyotes and Fox are both heavy disease carriers. Some studies say 60-80% of them have Tapeworms. Many have Hookworms. Not the type of animal you want hanging around in the same territory as house Cats or Dogs who might bring a surprise home to your family. Self preservation says you want to encourage them to avoid Humans and human habitation.

Here is a list my buyer had. He said it was old and knew Neil the first on the list had passed but his wife was still buying furs.

Neil Brothers
Baker Road
Libson, NY
(315) 394-0920
he does buy on the carcass or raw.


Chris "Hoot" Gerling
Buyer of Raw Furs and Deer Hides
North Division Street
Collins Center New York 14035

716- 532-2457 Call for appointment

Jim Ward
Oneida Fur & Trap Supply
2784 Swallow Bridge RD
Oneida NY 13421
315-363-2913

MARK BALLARD
UTICA NY 13501
315-534-1705

LOOKING MOSTLY FOR WHOLE COYOTE'S AND FOX UN SKINNED BUT WILL BUY ALL FUR


Do a search for New York trappers where you can many times pick up people who buy.


:D Al

The buzzards and crows have to eat :D

Why not make a little money while cleaning out a few varmints?

:D Al