Lookin for a new yote rifle
 

As of now im shootin a weatherby .17hmr with the anschutz 64 action....super accurate and i love it . but im pushing its capabilities on yotes and am tired of the hmr's 100 yard limitations with yotes. Even if i call them inside 100, they dont present for a good shot many times. with a tiny .17 rimfire, bullet placement is critical so i have to be conservative on what shots to take. anyways that aside, im looking at coopers in .223 .22-250, or .243. But coops arent repeaters which i dont like... im sort of partial to a nice wood stock. im leaning towards .243.....nearly as flat as .22-250 but a better BC, Rammer how do you like your .243...is it hard on fur from 100-200?) But the other side of me want so go to an AR setup......especialy after elections i figure i better get one now if i want one.... more specifically looking at a JP rifles JP-15....20" barrel .... iv been goin back and forth for months. What do you guys think...... who makes a bolt repeater of near or equal quality to coopers? ....i dont like how kimbers feel when i shoulder them up...suggestions?

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Wow, you aren't talking cheap rifles are you? I guess I really shouldn't say anything about the price. I won't tell you how much I have in my .243 AI. [>:]

Shooting the 70 grain Blitzkings I tend to run into quite a bit of pelt damage. Yet at the same time there are just as many, if not more that there isn't an exit hole and barely any entry bleeding.

Might look at an Ar-10 configuration. You can then shoot the .243 and have a lot of repeating capability.

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#40....is your AI about on par with a .240 wby. mag? i thought of a mark 5 also.......nice guns but i dont think they are quite worth what they cost. also wby factory loads are very expensive....and wby brass is well, .....expensive. i like the .240's stats on paper.....but i have a hunch they heat barrels rather quickly!

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oh...in an Ar platform i would most likely stick with .223

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With what little chronographing I have done, it is right there with the Weatherby. Both will be barrel burners if shot quickly.

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I love my 243s for coyote calling! I use a 60gr Sierra HP behind a max load of Varget, and out of a ton of coyotes, I've only wrecked one fur with this load. About 90% of the time you can't even see the entrance wound or any blood on the snow. This is on alot of dogs shot at well under 100 yards.

I've never owned or been around a Cooper, but I thought I read where they came out with a repeater now, so you might want to check into that.

As for AR15s. I can't seem to put mine down this year, shooting 55gr BTs (not going to use them after this year on coyotes again) I'm putting 5 shots into a ragged hole at 100 yards off my shooting sticks. I'm partial to the 55gr SPs or 55gr Vmaxs for coyotes out of the 223. I might try out some 50gr V-Maxs this summer and see how they perform on dogs.

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Don't rule out an ar15 in 243 wssm or 257 wssm. Both can get you the BC you want and move on up to big game with the right bullet. As for a bolt it's hard to beat a cz IMHO. With the AR a 223 rifle of your choice and an ar upper in 243wssm or 257wssm will be just as accurate as a cooper if you stick with heavy barrels and a good trigger. Just for reference a 17 rem, available in the ar or 223 is about as strong as you are going to get if looking at pelt dameage. Beyond that you need a thicker skinned bullet for a through and through.
Blessings.

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I would go for a remington 700 in .22-250. If nice wood is on your list take a look at the remington 700 vls.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_VLS_specs.asp

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people look at me funny when I pull out my savage in 204.... but I am a cheap hunter that likes performance and the acu-trigger helps or makes me think that it helps me and my gun preform so look at savages they are producing some good to great guns..

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thanks for the input guys, i will have to check out the CZ ( quality rifles at a great price as i almost bought a 453 hmr last year) and the remmy vls for sure........Rammer, yes cooper does make a repeater but im pretty sure it is only availiable in .25-06 and larger calibers. great cal on deer sized critters but gettin a little big for yotes. As far as the wssm calibers......i will probably stay away from them........i shot my buddies .243wssm and compared to the .243 it heats way faster......like 3.shots to one....after 4-5 shots groups start to spread and it needs too cool. not really worth the little bit extra velocity in my mind.

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I love my Savages too. Might look into these. I don't perfer the wood stocks, but these are nice.

Savage

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yea, i like a nice grain wood stock.......but i do like houge stocks, and good "real" synthetic stocks. i guess i just dont care much for the bottom of the barrel injection molded plastic ones they call synthetic....no one would buy them if they called them what they were(plastic)... but i suppose if the gun is a shooter what does it matter? even the cheapest synthetic stocks still have advantages over the best wood stocks.....

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the savage looks sharp..... never owned a savage..... how do they shoot out of the box?

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I have a Savage special run gun chambered for 243 that is a shooting SOB. The plastic junk stock on it is gettin replaced as soon as my Stockade stock gets here towards the end of March. That is my only complaint on the Savage is the tupperware stock. I should have bought one with a wood stock from the factory.

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Here's my Savage (with the crappy factory stock too :D)

This is a Savage 10FP tactical carbine. It has a heavy 20" bull barrel in .223 and seems to LOVE Black Hills 60gr V-Max with it's fast 1-9" twist.
The tactical version of the Accutrigger is the best I've shot, breaks like glass with no creep, no overtravel no anything. I haven't measured the weight but I'd guess 1.5-2lbs tops?

I just had it at the range today after I remounted the scope and it shoots like the last picture all day long and from the bi-pod no less! Combined with the ballistics chart I have for this barrel and load out to 500 yards? It's gonna flip some fur.
I'm glad it shoots so well without having to drop $600-800 on a VXIII to get the accuracy out of it. Even with the Swift Premier 4.5-14 X44AO scope and factory tupperware stock I don't know if I can physically shoot it better than it does as is? And all for the wallet busting price of $600 total for everything you see 2nd hand from a buddy. ;):D





100 yards off the bi-pod all day long.

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with groups like that i would be afraid to change anything on that rifle....

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I'm really thinking hard about that.........if I DO change it can I even shoot well enough to see a difference?

That is right out of the box and factory ammo. I have a picture here somewhere of a 5 shot 200 yard group that could be completely hidden by a QUARTER using a mid-range 14 power scope. [:-]
If you want a shooter that won't break the bank, seriously look at the Savage tacticals.

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I wouldn't play to much with it. I assume you dropped the trigger down. Beyond that, an aftermarket stock is not going to do much better. Even though the savage stock is a flimbsy piece of trash. It is thick and sturdy where it counts, at the action. If you want to shrink the groups, may try a piece of foam under the barrel directly above the sling stud. Just in case the bipod is able to bend the forearm slightly to contact the barrel. Make sure every time you break it down the screws are tightened back up to the same degree. If you plan to reload neck size only. You should get that little gent to one hole without any more money at all.
Blessings

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They shoot outstanding. Here is a sample of groups shout at 100 yards out of a factory stock Savage 12FV .223
















I could go on, but you get the point. I have had custom rifles that cost 3 to 4 times as much that do not shoot as good as my out of the box 12FV! I have been working up a load for my buddies sporter weight barrel Savage in .223 and the groups have been just as impressive.

For coyotes I have been shooting a 50gr V-Max at around 3500fps, it will shoot a .5" group at 200 yards with that load. I am sighted in at 200 yards which puts me right around 1" high at 100 and is 5.5" low at 300 yards. Very good coyote medicine but it is heavy to pack around. I am looking to do a barrel swap with a sport weight barrel this summer to take a few pounds off....the gun that is.

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very impressive groups.......

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I use a .220 Swift ( Rugar ).. it seems to do the job.

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i hunt for fur and if your wanting to then your bet choices will be:
17 rem, 223 rem, 204 ruger, 218 bee, 221 fireball, 22 hornet, are my choices. my 223 is a 223 ackley though. the 220 swift wont do very well though. the 243 is way to hard on em if your fur hunting and the 22-250 is def not a choice for me unless u shoot a very very light bullet. but thats just me.

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I built a custom coyote gun on a Remington 700 action. Lots of money in this gun but it's shoots great.. I did choose 22-250 and love it. I'm not so much after pelts though, the bigger the hole the better.. lol
One I hit this year left a hole on opposite shoulder about the size of a softball..

But if you wants pelts I'd build a 223.

Good Luck

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i suppose if your a hand loader you can always load them down if your hunting fur