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Killed CUJO this morning! Good or Bad?
Many people on here will think im a bad person for what i did this morning and im not quite sure im that good of one after i made the decision either...but there was good conditions this morning so i figures id get up grab the bow and head out. Well i got there and wasnt in the stand 15 or 20 minutes and i saw 2 does and a good sized 9 point with them and made the decision that i was goin to harvest him. Well he got to about 15 yards and stopped facin me? Looked beack and then halled balls out of the woods. I didnt know what happened...and then i heard more foot prints and though here comes MR. BIG. So i got setup and turns out it was a great big st. bernard looks just like cujo. And the neighbors have had trouble with that dog and 6 others in the past few weeks. i whistled he stopped and i drilled him.Well i thought i had done a good deed beacuse weve seen these dogs runnin cattle and they killed one of my neighbors lambs. But then i started to doubt myself???? What do you guys think???
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Are there houses around?
If I had ANY doubt that it was a pet, I wouldnt shoot...Stray, is gone. Stray dogs are more vicious than any coyote you can run across. I just dont think I could kill another man's pet because he was trompin through the woods in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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Nope the only thing around is my neighbors turkey barns and sheep/cattle pens.
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I think you did the right thing, i let a dog go on my lease in ohio and regretted it for the rest of the trip(saw it running deer 4 out of the 10 days i was there)
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This year a guy i let hunt on my farm shot at a dog. Hes no longer allowed to hunt on my land because of this. IMOthe only time you should shoot a dog is when it needs it. (poor health, in pain, etc...) just my .02 cents.
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I doubt you did a thing wrong stray dogs are just like coyotes!
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if it wasnt someones pet than you didnt do anything wrong. we about shot apit bulltoday but we werent sure whos it was. but i agree they can be dangerous if not taken care. just make sure its a stray
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Shoot it...no question. If it's a pet, I shoot beside it the first time he's there and try and find an owner. Second time, he's done. I see no reason that's dog's life is more important than a deer's...or any other wild animal.
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Well i talked to my neighbors and the cattle/sheep farmer and his son confirmed that its one of the strays. The farmers son said he shot at the same dog cause he was in the turkey barn and killed 13 turkeys. But missed. So i hope that it was the right decision.
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If the dog dont have a collar on and theres trouble in the area from dogs kill it.
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RE: Killed CUJO this morning! Good or Bad?
If a Coyotes a problem and kills a lamb you shoot it
If a Dogs a problem and Kills a lamb you shoot it. But I would let it walk anyway |
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IN KANSAS IT IS A FELONY TO SHOOT A PERSONS PET!!!! ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW IT IS A PET.....
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Alot of bad advice on here. You don't kill a dog because it interupted your hunt. What did the dog look like? Was it all matted and filthy looking? You can usually tell what a feral dog looks like. Most the time they run in packs like yotes and wolves. I think you killed it out of anger. How do you know it was this dog? Kinda strange that if people seen that dog chasing cattle or lambs that they would just ignore it and the ranchers let it go. The ranchers didn't kill it? Very strange.
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ORIGINAL: bigbucks98 Many people on here will think im a bad person for what i did this morning and im not quite sure im that good of one after i made the decision either...but there was good conditions this morning so i figures id get up grab the bow and head out. Well i got there and wasnt in the stand 15 or 20 minutes and i saw 2 does and a good sized 9 point with them and made the decision that i was goin to harvest him. Well he got to about 15 yards and stopped facin me? Looked beack and then halled balls out of the woods. I didnt know what happened...and then i heard more foot prints and though here comes MR. BIG. So i got setup and turns out it was a great big st. bernard looks just like cujo. And the neighbors have had trouble with that dog and 6 others in the past few weeks. i whistled he stopped and i drilled him.Well i thought i had done a good deed beacuse weve seen these dogs runnin cattle and they killed one of my neighbors lambs. But then i started to doubt myself???? What do you guys think???  A few weeks ago a little white dog came running down a deer trail that I was hunting... I didn't shoot him... :eek: |
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Strays that kill livestock areusually legal to shoot when caught in the act. Your scenario is probably not a legal shoot.
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ORIGINAL: KSPOLICEMAN IN KANSAS IT IS A FELONY TO SHOOT A PERSONS PET!!!! ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW IT IS A PET..... If it wears a collar it gets a pass. If it wears a collar and chases deer it gets one pass and I check witht he locals to find the owner and have a kind word with him. No collar I consider it a coyotes and let'r rip. |
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lot of varibles thatcould makethequestion a tough one to answer but the details you provide show me anyway that you made the correct decision.
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ORIGINAL: bigbucks98 But then i started to doubt myself???? What do you guys think??? |
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Mistake. I agree with KSPOLICEMAN
In most cases, the dogs you might encounter while hunting 99% of the time are someones pet. Feral dogs...LOL. Gimme a break. Like anyone'swoods are loaded with Feral dogs. Yes, there might be a right time and place to take a dog out, but not because they spolied your hunt. I live out in the country...my dogs run on my land, and occassionally stray onto others properties. Not often, but it happens...they are dogs. One time 2yrs ago...my black lab lost his collar AND strayed to a neighbors house about a mile away, during deer season. Shoot my dog because it doesn't have a collar....oh yeah, it must be feral. Luckily, the folks around here are decent...someone grabbed him up, and put up a sign at the church down the road. My neighbors dogs do the same...no way I am shooting ANY dog. If you have a problem with dogs, find out who they belong to and work it out. 99% of the time you can. I just pray that dog wasn't some little kids best friend. |
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ORIGINAL: bigbucks98 Well i talked to my neighbors and the cattle/sheep farmer and his son confirmed that its one of the strays. The farmers son said he shot at the same dog cause he was in the turkey barn and killed 13 turkeys. But missed. So i hope that it was the right decision. you did a good thing... now on to more serious issues... are you getting it mounted?:D kidding |
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ORIGINAL: WV Hunter Like anyone'swoods are loaded with Feral dogs. the thing about living around here is alot of people are too poor to keep their pets so they drive down a county road in the country and drop them off...[&:] |
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If the deer ran from the dog, the dog was a problem. I would have shot it myself. Let your dog run free in Illinois, probebly never see it again.
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Pet or Stray,you did a good job!Obviously the owner didn't care about the dog to be letting it run lose during deer season!I own a few beagles and love them to death,but wouldn't dare let them run lose during deer season.I don't even rabbit hunt with them until deer season is over.You did good!Any dog I see in the deer woods during season is going down,even if it has a colar on it!
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Mongo, I'm not saying they aren't out there. But a St Bernard trailing some deer...come on. In your situation, absolutely...but totally different.
In almost all cases its not the dogs fault, they don't know they are not supposed to be a dog. Common sense needs to prevail, not just getting pissed at your spoiled chance and taking it out on someones pet. Nobody here would want their pet shot....so keep that in mind. I try hard to keep my dogs penned up during deer season, but sometimes they get out and run. They certainly aren't feral, and don't make it a habit of chasing deer...but they are dogs. I'd be pissed if someone shot one of them, as I'm sure some of you would yours. |
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I've been hunting since I was 12 yrs old. (I'm now 55) There have been numerous times when family/hunting dogs have chased after deer. I would hate to think that if my lab braking away on a deer trail andfinding her dead with an arrow through her. Don't try rationalizing that this St. Bernard would have run down a full grown deer and killed it. Its guys like you who give our sport a bad name. I guarantee if I witnessed such an event, you would be carrying your bow parts home in a sack.
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Well if someone owns that dog I wouldn't be posting it on the internet cause you can get in a lot of trouble for that.
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Where we hunt deer and turkeys, there is a standing rule with the rancher that we're to shoot stray dogs. Over the years we've killed a number of dogs, and the rancher still has suffered significant losses to his cattle. One time, three dogs had been loose for weeks and the rancher lost three or four heifers to them. One day, my hunting partner heard them barking and a heifer bawling, so he headed toward the noise. The dogs had the cow pinned in the corner of a fence and were working her over. He shot all three dogs with his turkey guy, and I thought the rancher was going to kiss him. Another time, I was running a trap line on the ranch, and a deer ran by me going full speed. Less than a minute later, I hear an animla panting and here comes a big German Shepard. A few .22LRs later, that shepard's deer chasing career was over.
The only dog I've ever seen on the ranches that I couldn't bring myself to shoot was a yellow lab that had gotten out. The rest have been rottweilers, dobermans, pitbulls, shepards, and other similar breeds. They're all in doggie heaven. |
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I would be very hesitant to shoot a dog unless it was clearly identified as a nuisance animal that was endangering livestock in my presence. My land is in an area where lots of people let their dogs run loose and they are pretty much harmless. If i shot every dog that i thought might be running deer from time to time, i would get run out of the county.
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Clean kill. A pack of strays can be much worse than any natural born predator cause they have very little to no fear of humans, they commonly kill for fun, and do to their lacking the fear of humansthey could hurt small children in the area.
To you guys that are saying it is no good. The dog had been seen around causing a nuisance. It is a good kill those animals are unsafe. |
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I dont blame ya.
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Don't feel a bit of shame in what your did. I live out in the good open spaces of SD. We don't have alot of stray dogs but a few and I am not afraid to say I put around a dozen of them down the past few years. What we really have a problem with is feral cats. Every farm has 10 or more running around. Rule of thumb around here is if its more then a mile from a house without a colar it wasnt let outside to take a dump. Same for a dog. If it shows any sign of being a stray or agressive its going down.If its someones pet that they love so much you think they would atleast colar it and keep track of it. If they don't they didn't care for it that much in the first place...
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Well for everyone that wants to know...it looked filthy, it got tested and tested + for rabies and wes nile. The farmers son watched it kill 13 TURKEYS in his turkey barn...and i didnt shoot the damn thing cause it interupted my hunt (idk where in the hell that came from)...the reason i did it is cause the day the dog got into the turkey barns, The farmers son called me and asked if id seen it before. I tole him no. Then he described the dog as a st. bernard and lookd hust like the dog CUJO. So when i seen it thats exactly the first thing that popped into my mind. Then a bit afterwards, we took the dog over to the turkey barns and looked at its paw compared to the muddy track by the barn door and guess what??? A POSITIVE MATCH...size,shape,length,width.
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(wetpwdr53) piss off. Man i have evidence that its a stray so you can believe what you want...
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What a great command of the English language! Jesus loves you anyway.
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Dang, you sure went through alot on this "wild dog" not only did you drag a 200+ lb dog out of the deer woods, you went C.S.I on him clear down to the print....If your "neighbor" described the dog to you as you said the "CUJO" looking ST.Bernard (probably not many like that around) Why did you go through the trouble to go as far as matching the prints??? West nile and rabies, (which that would have taken a week to get results back) Im not trying to be a #ick head (maybe im to much of a cop) but sounds like your trying to sugar coat your story to kosher yourself...either way what is done is done, you cant take back words/bullets(arrow). If I was you i would not respond to this post anyfurther so you dont keep getting hounded (lol) Me being a cop we look at all sides, and it never fails the guilty person always talks to much about what they done and ends up trying to make themselves look like a hero for there wrongdoing by twisting the story in a 180 degrees after the initial story.....in a nut shell you should of put in the initial post about the rebies the westnile the turkey slaying the prints etc....(you see where im coming from......like i said not bieng a #ick....just interesting topic.....
ORIGINAL: bigbucks98 Well for everyone that wants to know...it looked filthy, it got tested and tested + for rabies and wes nile. The farmers son watched it kill 13 TURKEYS in his turkey barn...and i didnt shoot the damn thing cause it interupted my hunt (idk where in the hell that came from)...the reason i did it is cause the day the dog got into the turkey barns, The farmers son called me and asked if id seen it before. I tole him no. Then he described the dog as a st. bernard and lookd hust like the dog CUJO. So when i seen it thats exactly the first thing that popped into my mind. Then a bit afterwards, we took the dog over to the turkey barns and looked at its paw compared to the muddy track by the barn door and guess what??? A POSITIVE MATCH...size,shape,length,width. |
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ORIGINAL: brushbustin Pet or Stray,you did a good job!Obviously the owner didn't care about the dog to be letting it run lose during deer season!I own a few beagles and love them to death,but wouldn't dare let them run lose during deer season.I don't even rabbit hunt with them until deer season is over.You did good!Any dog I see in the deer woods during season is going down,even if it has a colar on it! So when you inviting me down to rabbit hunt brushbustin???? I hate ignorant comments, and I hate ignorant people even more. As a dog owner how could you even justify in your own little head that it is correct for you to shoot any dog collar or not that you see out of someones yard during your precious deer season?? I mean how would you feel if you were out rabbit hunting and one of your dogs got away from you onto the neighbors property (and dont tell me you dogs wouldnt do that because I have been around rabbit dogs most of my life and they will still get away from time to time), and on that neighbnors property was a guy who was trying to varmint hunt or better yet was rabbit hunting by doing it the old fashioned way and kicking the bushes yourself without a dog, and that guy decided that your beagle that was over there was not suppose to be out there running around because he was hunting and it bothered the way he hunted and he shot it? Now According to yoru previous statements you should have no right to get angry because you just lost your favorite Branko gypor your son or grandson's beagle that they had raised from a pup, no sir just smile and walk the otherway knowing he lived by the same code of ethics as you. I know you can handle this right, no problem...OR would youget pissed about it?I am assuming that you would be pissed and hence establishes a double standard on your part... it's ok for you to murder someone else's dog but dont let anything happen to yours.. I think they should make all pet owners take some sort of test before allowing them to own another living creature,sorta like a driverslic. test, pass/fail noin the middles on it. Yes I am sure thatthere would be a share of hound owners who deer hunt who wouldnt pass,as well as different hunting breeds and pet owners, thats fine with me, maybe wewouldnt have such issuesif the were a test. One last thought here, you should probably run for president with this type of vigilante attitude toward anything you don't participate in, you would have all our world problems solved in short order I am sure! Not a rant just a thought for someone who thinks about something other than his self. |
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ORIGINAL: KSPOLICEMAN Me being a cop we look at all sides, and it never fails the guilty person always talks to much about what they done and ends up trying to make themselves look like a hero for there wrongdoing by twisting the story in a 180 degrees after the initial story..... This is the biggest load of BS I have heard in a while. As a law enforcement officer you're taught to only look at whats legal. You and I both know it. You're "everyone is lying to me" cop mentality is exactly why people don't like police officers. Bottom line is this: if you value your pet, keep it off my place. I don't care if it has new Christmas bows in its hair. If he's on my place up to no good then he's getting one in the engine room. |
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Nice range of attitudes here. I think the original intent was for someone to discuss shooting a dog that, by all indications, was clearly a nuisance animal. It is a very far leap to go from there to the attitude that you can shoot any dog you see out running rabbits or deer. Even if you do feel justified in doing so, sometimes itcan bea great way to alienate neighbors and likely get your butt kicked. I can't stand cats running around eating small game, but you can bet your butt that I would think twice about shooting one that I know belonged to my neighbor. That would be a wonderful way for me to lose access to 120 acres of prime hunting ground. Sometimes what you think is the "right" thing to do can turn out to be pretty stupid in the long run. Think it thru before you pull the trigger on any tame animal.
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Just for the record I am TOTALLY AGAINST SHOOTING ANY DOG unless it is directly a threat to my or someone elses well being.
I am a dog owner and love them like I do my kids. They are treated as a memeber of the family at my house. I was just trying to show someone else's ignorance in my post above... ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT CONDONE THE SHOOTING OF ANY DOG!! |
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ORIGINAL: eng40sqd ORIGINAL: brushbustin Pet or Stray,you did a good job!Obviously the owner didn't care about the dog to be letting it run lose during deer season!I own a few beagles and love them to death,but wouldn't dare let them run lose during deer season.I don't even rabbit hunt with them until deer season is over.You did good!Any dog I see in the deer woods during season is going down,even if it has a colar on it! So when you inviting me down to rabbit hunt brushbustin???? I hate ignorant comments, and I hate ignorant people even more. As a dog owner how could you even justify in your own little head that it is correct for you to shoot any dog collar or not that you see out of someones yard during your precious deer season?? I mean how would you feel if you were out rabbit hunting and one of your dogs got away from you onto the neighbors property (and dont tell me you dogs wouldnt do that because I have been around rabbit dogs most of my life and they will still get away from time to time), and on that neighbnors property was a guy who was trying to varmint hunt or better yet was rabbit hunting by doing it the old fashioned way and kicking the bushes yourself without a dog, and that guy decided that your beagle that was over there was not suppose to be out there running around because he was hunting and it bothered the way he hunted and he shot it? Now According to yoru previous statements you should have no right to get angry because you just lost your favorite Branko gypor your son or grandson's beagle that they had raised from a pup, no sir just smile and walk the otherway knowing he lived by the same code of ethics as you. I know you can handle this right, no problem...OR would youget pissed about it?I am assuming that you would be pissed and hence establishes a double standard on your part... it's ok for you to murder someone else's dog but dont let anything happen to yours.. I think they should make all pet owners take some sort of test before allowing them to own another living creature,sorta like a driverslic. test, pass/fail noin the middles on it. Yes I am sure thatthere would be a share of hound owners who deer hunt who wouldnt pass,as well as different hunting breeds and pet owners, thats fine with me, maybe wewouldnt have such issuesif the were a test. One last thought here, you should probably run for president with this type of vigilante attitude toward anything you don't participate in, you would have all our world problems solved in short order I am sure! Not a rant just a thought for someone who thinks about something other than his self. You don't think about anything except what your narrow view how things should be. You are the problem with society. You want to condemn everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion, and you think you know enough to say what is right and wrong. Then, you go even farther saying whatever you think will happen and stating it as fact. Who died and made you God? Your more than welcome to express your opinions, but you have no right at all to go around telling people how they would act in a situation, and especially when all you know about then is it a short paragraph on a internet forum. For all you know he is the most upstanding guy your likely to meet. He could be the Pope for all you know. Where do you get off telling people how they will act and how there dogs act. I have been around many good dogs that wouldn't wounder farther than vocal range. Shows what you know. I hate when people think that if they were in charge of things that they would do this and that like they see all sides of the issue and know the action that would solve all the problems. If you were so all knowingly intelligent then you would be in charge of something more than where you are now. And, just for future reference when you assume you make an ASS-out-of-U-and-ME. Edit: in regards to the post above that is what you should have said in the first place so we could see what you felt and known you are a bleeding heart puppy lover and taken all your comments with that in mind. Not that I dis on your love of canines, but that will affect your view of anything that has to do with dogs. And, if you don't believe me that is fine just look at any situation where there is a need to make a crucial decision that will put lives in danger. You will see that anyone who has loved ones in the fray is removed from the decision making process. Emotions cloud judgment. |
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