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If you got such a hard on about this just call the C.O. and have him out their to catch the "trespassers".

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That would be fair to me as I see it you are the land owner and I have to have respect for your land as well as your rights to. I think that there has to be some sort of medium that all must work together on to ensure we can retain our hunting rights for generations to come.

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Sorry, I didn't intend to have a hard-on. I'm just curious how different people would handle this scenario. didn't mean to put anyone on the spot. But, when people get on the defencive about a question like this it kinda makes a me wonder if they might have more of a tendencyto consider B. ( shoot coyote, get dog, go home)again, I would like to apologize if it appears that I have a hard-on.
Stevie

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I'm not sure if it is still in effect but In MN if there is a dog "chasing" deer it is legal to shot After the first of the year. I'm not sure how long you can do that but hey, If there isn't a hunter within site of the dog let the lead fly..

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I may have a solution to all of this, andthat canpleaseall sides. And possiblycreat more revenue for the local farmers .
Please hear me out.

Places like texas, have large expanses of land that are fenced, where you can go and pay to hunt Deer, Elk, Turkey, Hogs etc. I live in rural Minnesota where it use to be alot of dairy, its mostly crop farming now. If say a dozen farmers gottogether and fenced there properties all together.. Started raiseing coyotes, fox, lynx and bobcat. And thenonly charge a guyfor whatHe/She shoots. This would help create more revenue for farmers. And there business could be run year around, it would also solve the trespasser problem. Thehunting season would never have to end, and your odds of harvesting more game would increase dramaticaly. everyone wins

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OK Stevie, I was with you until that last post. You're on your own now. :D

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Wow, the discussion has suddenly gotten very abstract and full of hypothetical twists and turns. But, that's par for the course here. Every thread on this site criticizing dog hunting of any kind generally starts out with maybe one actual example of a legitimate problem caused by dog hunting, but then gets silly.

In my neck of the woods, there actually is a fenced reserve where people can run foxes and coyotes with dogs. So, i guess that some folks enjoy chasing coyotes within a 200 acre enclosure. But, that doesn't really address the issue of coyotes as a free-ranging nuisance which is why the vast majority of landowers in my area don't get their panties in a wad if several coyote dogs take two minutes to cut across their south 40.

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Lanse couche couche

You have stated that all these scenerios are not likely to happen. Can you give an example of what typically does happen? I have no idea, just curious. Do you live in an area that is mostly public land, and/or your land and when your dogs are running theymay run across someone elses land and back onto public land? Or is most of the land private and therefore the dogs are running through one person's land and then through another person's land, etc.? If the latter, is it ok with pretty much all the landowners that a person cut through their land when on a hunt?

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Stevie, I see the point you're trying to make, and if you read some of my posts on this topic you'll see my opinion, but you cant ask a question in the way you did and get straightfoward answers. There aren't only 2 ways to answer that question.

Raising coyotes in a fenced in area for people to shoot isn't a good resolution. We want less out there, not more. Most groups I know of don't run dogs for the sheer sport of it, they do it to kill lots of coyotes. And that's fine by me, go where ever you need to kill the coyotes, but just wait untill after the other seasons close and most of these problems go away.

I hate coyotes just as much as anyone, I kill everyone I can, but it rubs me the wrong way when dogs that dont have permission come running like a bull with it's hair on fire through private ground when I'mbow hunting with a month and a half left in the season, and then the handler drives overwet fields to ask me if I saw where they went.

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Cascade,

In my personal experience, you hear some barking, then a pack of dogs comes running like hell thru that specific spot and are out of earshot in a few minutes. Any shooting occurs along a point in the road where the hunters cut off the coyote. Others don't even use guns. They let the regular hounds tire the coyote out somewhat, then when it goes across a very large clear area, they will turn lose greyhounds to quickly run it down and drop it until the other dogs get there to finish it off. In both scenarios, the hunters have some choice in terms of exactly where the coyote will be killed. But, obviously they can't control where the dogs run while chasing the coyote and therein lies the problem.

The only firsthand knowledge that i have of coyote dogs influencing a deer hunt was when my friend had about two dozen deer flushed right toward his stand by coyote dogs. I don't doubt that occasionally coyote hunters might ruin a deer hunt, but I also think that some deer hunters (my father for example) will use any dog barking within a mile of their stand as an excuse for not bagging a deer that day.

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That's the way I see it too, Lanse

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Well Phil its good to know that i will have a little company underneath the pile-on that should be starting any time now

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il coyote
please excuse me,if I'm not understanding this right, you said that most groups you know don't run dogs for the sheer sport of it, they do it to kill lots of coyotes. So it is actualy a job for them. to do this. so if its work to them,and I don't want them running there dogs on my property anyway , why are they getting bent out of shape. when I ask them not to do it ?

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"So it is actualy a job for them."

No, it ain't a job for them. Very few people hunt coyotes as an occupation. Folks hunt coyotes for sport and rid the country of some of the predators.

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My question is IF the landowner gives all thedogs an acute case oflead poisoning, how would you feel? A little upset? Who's land is it anyway?

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That is whyI would contact the aurthorities so they could witness what you did to my hunting dog/s and make sure I get a check later. Have you read any of the past posts on here? Do you like playing repeat allbecause you do not like dog hunting period. Sorry about your luck but alot of folks hunt with dogs on here whether hunting coyotes, rabbits, or birds. I think you have a right to believe what you want but, why don't you look at the real issues you have and not keep dreaming up ways to distroy other folks way of hunting. Do you hunt at all?

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I'd shoot the yote the dogs were chasin and go up to the houndsman and say thanks!;) I don't think you should shoot the dogs, their just following orders. What you should do is give that pic to the cops and say you want to press charges.

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I think we can all agree, coyotes are a problem, more so in some area's than others. but, if we nearly eradicate the entire coyote population. the Federal Governments gonna step in and put them on the endangered species list ( Like the Timberwolf ) and spend millions of our tax dollarsstudying this matter.
Kinda makes you think.

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Wow, I guess I hit a nerve, huh? I didn't say I would shoot the dogs, I said "the landowner" of which I am not. If I were, I would have serious heartburn over hunters like yourself that think you and your dogs can go anywhere you want because you are killing coyotes.

As for destoying your way of hunting, I have absolutely no problem other than the fact that you apparently have no regard for someone elses property. Do it on your own land or public land, go for it. Run your dogs though other's property, ESPECIALLY during other hunting seasons and I think you are wrong.

And sorry, I do have three dogs, one is a lab that I HUNT with. And when I am hunting, I DO NOT TRESPASS.

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By the way, those are my boys, not me. :)

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You are sadly mistaken as well, I hunt private land owned by paper companies. There is enough land here for all to hunt on and hardly meet each other except when traveling on the dirt roads going in or out. However if the dogs are chasing coyotes they are doing what they are trained to do. They have not been trained to read so, shoot the dog? Heck no, you have to deal with the handlers of the dogs. That is what I am saying and besides my dogs are under my control as they hunt birds. That is also a nice set of pics. I hunt the Irish Setters and I am not against anyone else that hunt coyotes, coons, bobcats, rabbits or anything else they choose to hunt with their dogs.

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Cascade,

If you hunt with dogs, you will have one hell of a time convincing me that they have never "tresspassed" by crossing a fenceline or going on the wrong side of the road onto ground where you don't have permission to be.
Under those circumstances, would it be acceptable for a trigger happy landowner to give your dog a case of lead poisoning?

As for shooting dogs, if you honestly think that they are endangering game, livestock, etc., then yes I think that you have the right to shoot them. But, there are simply too many jerks out there who are willing to shoot any dog that comes anywhere near their deer stand whether they are on their own land or not. Those of you who think otherwise might find more sympathetic ears in the deer hunting section[:'(]

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How does "not always coyote hunting for the sheer sport of it" translate into "doing it for a job"?????? Hmmm, now I'm confused too.

People get their toes stepped on all the time when hunting. Dogs come running through, someone sets up a decoy spread close to yours, treestand right on the fence, deer drives on the neighboring property, skybusting waterfowl, chasing turkeys where you shouldn't,..list could go on forever.Most hunters by nature will scratch, claw, and spendfor any advantage they canget. It'll never happen that all hunters are at peace with all other hunters. This time I'm just on one side of the issue.

Leave it to the guy with a right-side beard to bring this back down to earth.:D

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Good point. If you're just looking for a reason to get pissed-off, then you can always find lot's of opportunities to do so in the hunting world. The problem is that everyone, perhaps without even knowing it, have done things that others could use as an excuse to get pissed off. That's why I always try to play nice in the woods.

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I just don't understand your logic. The things il coyote mentioned are things hunters SHOULD NOT DO. In your mind, if someone gets upset about it, they are the one with the problem. WRONG![:@]

Fine, when you are running your dogs, they don't cause any problems and you fully respect the landowner, etc., etc. But, what you don't know, is that the week before, some derelict coyote hunters came through the same area and cut the farmer's fence so they could drive their 4-wheelers through. The farmer is upset, do you blame him? You keep assuming that everyone is just looking for a reason to be upset. Have you ever thought that some may ACTUALLY have a reason???

Guys, face it. Hunters and fishermen are a cross section of society. There are good and bad. The bad ruin it for a lot of the good people.

Just an FYI. I personally would not shoot the dogs unless of course they were doing some damage to something.

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Its already been acknowledged that there are some bad apples in ALL types of hunting. I'm just not gonna get all fired up over onebad appleand get ticked off at the world.For example, I'm not gonna fly off the handle at deer huntersin general because ofspike nails driven into hickory and oak trees on my property by onedumbass deer hunter.

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I read some of member views on coyote hunters with hounds. First ,if you havent done it dont knock it. Another thing is as sportsmen we should all stick together or the wrong people will pick all hunting apart, starting with the guns. Coyote kill 17 per cent of new born fawns. With out the hunter (hound hunters kill the most) fox and coyotes would get out of hand, like they are in southern S. Dak.. Talk to people down there and they will tell you they have no deer or pheasants left there because of coyotes. If you have never hunted hounds ,try it I'll bet you'll like it. Most people have hunted birds with a dog. Hunting coyote with a hound is no different. and then there isthe guy that said all the coyote hound is doing is chasing deer, thats B.S.. That's what he thinks their doing. Some groups of hound hunters kill well over a 100 coyotes a year,do you think you can do that calling them,NO... In Minn. we have a dog shooting fund to take the shooter to court to see that they pays the 1000 dollars for the houndhe shot and the bad name they get for doing so. We spend alot of money on this sport day after day, way more then and other huntingwe do, deer ,birds ,ect.

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In Iowa, and in probably other states, if your dog goes on someone elses property you can retrieve it, but you cannot carry a gun and/or cannot kill the animals it is perusing.