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For what it's worth, we called in 6 coyotes on two seperate stands this winter. We also called in 4 coyotes on 3 seperate stands. Inpast years I can think ofone stand that we called7, but several other stands had from 4 to 6 come in. I can tell ya that it's not uncommon to call abunchon a stand during the coldest parts of winter!
The "packs" that we called were probablylitter mates from the earlier summer, along with a parent or two. Not all pups disperse immediately, and as was said, in harshconditions, they very well may stay together and hunt together! Those conditiond do usually mean that small game is harder to hunt and large game is the primary source of food! |
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can i respectfully give my info here in pa..i killed about 9 coyotes so far..this year i saw less than i did in last 5 years,dont know why..
i have never saw more than 2 together..usually its male and female, males tracks will be bigger also.. not to say they dont run in big bunchs or packs..everyone of our trappers all say they never see more than 2 together,usually 1 .. i saw BLACK ONE last week and if my dog would have sat still, he would have been shot..first black one i ever saw, most are blond or silver.. |
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thats a lot of deer. coyotes suck[:@]
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can i respectfully give my info here in pa..i killed about 9 coyotes so far..this year i saw less than i did in last 5 years,dont know why.. |
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Thats too bad. I would have to agree that it sounds more like wolfs but like you said they are half and half. It sounds more like they are homozigas dominant with the wolf trait though.
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Thats just too bad, I saw a video of a pack of 6 or 7 yotes trying to take down a mulie out west and they came very close but the deer got away luckely(wasen't very much snow, maybe a foot or 2), what ticked me off was that the hunter and guide didn't try to shoot any of them in there own hunting area!
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ORIGINAL: jhtrapper Thats just too bad, I saw a video of a pack of 6 or 7 yotes trying to take down a mulie out west and they came very close but the deer got away luckely(wasen't very much snow, maybe a foot or 2), what ticked me off was that the hunter and guide didn't try to shoot any of them in there own hunting area!
i got 9 so far and most were in deer season..9 in 5 years and never saw yote in 46 years in woods.. |
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That doesn't happen here if a hunter sees a coyote they simply try and shoot it. Some are not very good shots though.
I also think some folks missed what had happened as the coyotes came into this deer yard. The deer here have found that water is the best way to escape the coyotes. This works great for them in the summer. But, in the winter the water is frozen and deer can not run on bare ice. So what had happened is the coyotes came at them from the woods and the deer made a break for it. They went to the water which was frozen and did the splits, this is what kept those deer from getting up and caused their death. Trying to make a break on the ice that would of been water in the summer months. They call the splits they did " hamstringing " the tendons in the groin area rips and then the deer are history after that happens. But the coyotes did in fact cause this to happen. |
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As a houndsman you should know what a coyote is capable of on ice. Coyotes escape danger by getting onto ice- be it danger imposed by other coyotes or hounds... neither can get enough traction or stability to fight at full potential. Deer escape to ice the same way,these situationsbetween healthy animals often results in a stailmate.
Sick deer, be they dehydrated, malnurishedor diseased, will also go to water (ice). Illness, malnuirshmentand dehydration are very good explinations for what you've pictured here. Coyote slaughter is a reach- dispite the constant "I HATE COYOTES" slant thrown at this thread. There is an awful lot of speculation hidden in these posts and cloaked as FACT. The title alone should be changed to "My sickening opinion about.." |
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"There is an awful lot of speculation hidden in these posts and cloaked as FACT. The title alone should be changed to "My sickening opinion about..""
Ok, Mr. resident expert, tell all of us dumb coyote hunters all that you know on the subject. Make it 15pages or less. |
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ORIGINAL: alsaqr "There is an awful lot of speculation hidden in these posts and cloaked as FACT. The title alone should be changed to "My sickening opinion about.."" Ok, Mr. resident expert, tell all of us dumb coyote hunters all that you know on the subject. Make it 15pages or less. Now for a serious question, earlier in this thread there was talk about Deer running for it on ice. Now, do you think that the coyotes control where the Deer run or do the Deer see an opening or flat land as they think it is and think " I can toast these guys on flat land" I have my theory but want to know what ya'll think. |
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ORIGINAL: browning.204 ORIGINAL: alsaqr "There is an awful lot of speculation hidden in these posts and cloaked as FACT. The title alone should be changed to "My sickening opinion about.."" Ok, Mr. resident expert, tell all of us dumb coyote hunters all that you know on the subject. Make it 15pages or less. it was sad 17 of us had to sit and watch 2 fawns be killed and nothing we could do.. You shouldn't jump on JRBhunter like that, he is just trying to state his opinions like all of us on this thread. Weather you agree or not!! Now for a serious question, earlier in this thread there was talk about Deer running for it on ice. Now, do you think that the coyotes control where the Deer run or do the Deer see an opening or flat land as they think it is and think " I can toast these guys on flat land" I have my theory but want to know what ya'll think. |
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i too have seen yotes int he lone and in large groups. they don't seem to effect our deer herd here in the deep south as much as they do for ya'll. they do greatly effect our beef market. yotes are hell on calves during calving season. one of my favorite spots to hunt is near a well used yote den. i have not found the den (not high on my list of things to find) yet but every year i hear the pups howling. especially when there is a distant siren of a passing emergency vehicle.
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When a deer feels it is beingtargeted by any type of K-9 it's first instinct is to put some ground between them and the short legged adversary. Domestic dogs will continue to trail... making a day of "Cat & Mouse". I've watched deers hearts explode during an extensivedomestic K-9 chase. Numerous times. (We also raise whitetails in captivity) Coyotes quickly realize the target is healthy and back off... no need in burning any more energy on a deer wearing jet packs. It's just a matter of calorie intake versus energy output.However- if 10 deer take off and one hobbles on a broken leg, the chase may be on. Open ground means speed- ice means instability- both are advantages for a healthy whitetail.
Sorry alsagr, not a resident and hardly an expert. I just spend a little too much time studying and hunting coyotes and whitetailsto buy into certain theories. Most of the research papers I have obtained from the USDA and local colleges are based on coyote studies performed in the Northeast. The rest of the papers were developed in the SW, and I spend a couple hundred days a year chasing Midwest coyotes. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. |
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Coyotes quickly realize the target is healthy and back off... no need in burning any more energy on a deer wearing jet packs. |
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Deer escape to ice the same way,these situationsbetween healthy animals often results in a stailmate. |
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How fast can a whitetail run? I know a coyote can do 45 for a half hour.
Around here it has been a long long time since I have seen a Deer taken down by coyotes, and in all the coyotes poopies that I see, 8 out of 10 times it does not contain Deer Hair. In this area I think that coyotes get blamed for killing more Deer than they actually do!! Again, there are times when a hunter shoots a Deer and gets a runner only to find it a couple hours later or the next morning and it was gobbled up by coyotes. |
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ORIGINAL: browning.204 I know a coyote can do 45 for a half hour. |
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I know that because I know the Owner of Wildlife technologies and he has spent millions in filming coyotes and other animals and capturing all types of animal vocalizations from around the world.
He Films in HD and then sells his films to major companies like MGM, Discovery channel and stuff like that. He has a coyote video out along with a Moose video, there is another coyote video in the works right now. He let me see a teaser of it last time I was at his house, it will be like no other video out. He also makes the best sounding E-caller available today. check it out for your self www.wildlifetech.com |
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Well, that's great that you know somebody, but I would bet my millions against his millions that a coyote can't run 22 1/2 miles in 30 minutes.
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well you might wanna go to the ATM because they can run 45mph for a half hour or trot indefinitely (sp?)
If I can find something in writing then I will post it for you. Better yet, E-mail him directly on his web-page and ask your self, I know him, He loves a good challange!! I am not sure if he is back from filming yet but he will get back to you sooner or later. |
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ok cascade dad, here ya go as I promised:
""When hunting, coyotes sometimes pursue prey in relays, enabling packs to run down animals that could escape a single coyote. The list of prey able to escape a coyote is short, however, because coyotes can run in bursts as fast as forty miles per hour. They can also travel up to 400 miles at a stretch, stopping only occasionally to howl for news. "" the site is http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=funfacts.coyote ""Like other wild dogs, coyotes have a muscular body, long legs, and a bushy tail. They can run up to 40 miles per hour and often run down fast-moving jackrabbits. Coyotes have a unique nighttime howl (a series of yelps followed by a prolonged wail), which usually announces an individual’s territory or location."" The site is:http://www.lazoo.org/animalfact_arch.asp?id=24 ""Description and Habits [ul][*]Usually gray with a rusty color on neck and flanks[*]Black patches on base and tip of tail help distinguish from dogs[*]20-30 pounds[*]18-21 inches tall[*]42-50 inches long[*]Average litter of 4 to 5 pups[*]Run as fast as 40 miles per hour[*]Diet includes fruits and vegetables, pet food, small wild and domestic animals, snakes and lizards, and garbage "" The site is: http://www.gf.state.az.us/w_c/urban_coyote.shtml[/ul] ""Coyotes can run as fast as 25 to 30 miles an hour but can run 35 to 40 miles an hour when pursued. They are also strong swimmers."" The site is: http://wildlifeorphanage.org/coyote.html ""Coyotes (Canis latrans) are highly adaptable canids (members of the family Canidae). Capable of running at 25 to 30 mph (40 to 50 km/h) for prolonged periods of time, they can attain 40 mph (65 km/h) in short bursts of speed. Coyotes are one of the fastest species of canids, but unlike most canids, they run with their tails down."" The site is: http://www.carolina.com/redwolf/animals/coyote.asp Do you want me to post more or as that enough for you???? |
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even though I said 45 and the links say 40, its probably way faster than you though still, right cascadedad???
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I got your PM. Sorry, but I win the bet. No freebies, pay up. :)
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ORIGINAL: cascadedad I got your PM. Sorry, but I win the bet. No freebies, pay up. :) |
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your articles said yotes "can" reach those speeds BUT they didn't say they could MAINTAIN those speeds for 30 minutes.
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Thank you.
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Why don't you just admit your wrong cascadedad? Oh and I wonder why you've edited your post?
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I edited my post because I originally said 21 1/2 miles instead of 22 1/2 miles. Didn't want anyone to think I couldn't do a little simple math. :)
You want to get in on the bet too Predator? Browning failed miserably, maybe you can do better with your Google search. :eek: |
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I'm not sure if I'm sold on the coyotes or wolves 'killing for fun'. When I shoot a deer I don't eat it all right on the spot, I put it in the freezer for later, maybe thats what there doing? I do agree that coyote numbers affect deer numbers, thats the way the food chain works.
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Description and Habits [ul][*]Usually gray with a rusty color on neck and flanks[*]Black patches on base and tip of tail help distinguish from dogs[*]20-30 pounds[*]18-21 inches tall[*]42-50 inches long[*]Average litter of 4 to 5 pups[*]Run as fast as 40 miles per hour[*]Diet includes fruits and vegetables, pet food, small wild and domestic animals, snakes and lizards, and garbage "" The site is: http://www.gf.state.az.us/w_c/urban_coyote.shtml[/ul] |
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ORIGINAL: cascadedad I edited my post because I originally said 21 1/2 miles instead of 22 1/2 miles. Didn't want anyone to think I couldn't do a little simple math. :) You want to get in on the bet too Predator? Browning failed miserably, maybe you can do better with your Google search. :eek: As far as how that rates up to the Easterns, I don't know. I would have to think that since we all know that the eastern is coyote/ red wolf they would be stronger. Maybe not as fast, but stronger. But that is my guess. |
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No, it is not WAY faster than I thought. I had no problem with you saying their top speed was somewhere around 45 mph. It may be off a little, but I assume it is close.
But when you state as fact that they can keep that speed up for 30 minutes.......... well, the BS meter pegs out. The problem with this thread and so many in this particular section of huntingnet.com is that there is WAY to much speculation and personal experience that is stated as fact. I come here to learn, but it appears that this section has been taken over by high school kids that think they know everything. They are experts in guns, experts on the coyote, experts in hunting, on and on and on. You kids need to understand that you learn nothing when you are spewing nonsense from your keyboard. I fully admit that I am new to coyote hunting and want to learn. I do have a little age and wisdom on my side. If you boys notice, a lot of the real experts that used to contribute to this section no long post here. Can you guess why that is? |
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Again Cascadedad or old and wise, whatever you wanna be called, I ask you to call or E-mail some of the coyote "experts" for yourself and get the information that you so quickly disregard as B.S. The only reason that you think it is B.S. is because you are narrow minded and are not open to info or anything that does not strike you as fact from the get go. You say that you are new and want to learn, how will you ever learn if you think everything is B.S.??
And another fact is, you say that you had no problem with the 45mph info but you did have a problem with the half hour thing. That is a lie because when I posted that they can run 45mph you said ""Well, that's great that you know somebody, but I would bet my millions against his millions that a coyote can't run 22 1/2 miles in 30 minutes."" Now if you don't think a coyote can run 22 1/2 miles in 30 minutes, that indicates to me that you question the speed in which a coyote can run. So which is it??? Or who is really blowin B.S. here, cascadedad? As far as people with knowledge posting here, Iassume they moved on because they were probably fed up with guys questioning every piece of info that they write to try to help new guys. Some guys just can't grasp the concept of anything that happens outside of their trailer park, to bad isn't it cascadedad? So, these sites are for entertainment and chit-chat and everyone has an opinion and they are all welcomed. But before someone runs their mouth and tries to make someone look like a liar or try to prove someone wrong, do some research before running your mouth. Because if you don't you in the end look like the idiot. |
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I like this guy
ORIGINAL: browning.204 Again Cascadedad or old and wise, whatever you wanna be called, I ask you to call or E-mail some of the coyote "experts" for yourself and get the information that you so quickly disregard as B.S. The only reason that you think it is B.S. is because you are narrow minded and are not open to info or anything that does not strike you as fact from the get go. You say that you are new and want to learn, how will you ever learn if you think everything is B.S.?? And another fact is, you say that you had no problem with the 45mph info but you did have a problem with the half hour thing. That is a lie because when I posted that they can run 45mph you said ""Well, that's great that you know somebody, but I would bet my millions against his millions that a coyote can't run 22 1/2 miles in 30 minutes."" Now if you don't think a coyote can run 22 1/2 miles in 30 minutes, that indicates to me that you question the speed in which a coyote can run. So which is it??? Or who is really blowin B.S. here, cascadedad? As far as people with knowledge posting here, Iassume they moved on because they were probably fed up with guys questioning every piece of info that they write to try to help new guys. Some guys just can't grasp the concept of anything that happens outside of their trailer park, to bad isn't it cascadedad? So, these sites are for entertainment and chit-chat and everyone has an opinion and they are all welcomed. But before someone runs their mouth and tries to make someone look like a liar or try to prove someone wrong, do some research before running your mouth. Because if you don't you in the end look like the idiot. |
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Well, I'm sorry browing, I beleive cascadedad is right that a coyote can not maintain that speed for more than a few miles. The reason I say this is I come from a family that has hunted coyotes longer than I'm been alive, with grey hounds. My dad had an airplane that we used for many years to follow the hunters on the ground and to assist in finding and keeping track of the coyotes!. Grey hounds are sprinters, and if they don't catch a coyote in about the first half mile, they aren't going to catch it, but in the years that I hunted with the grey hounds, I never saw a coyote that could out run more than 3 sets of grey hounds, because by the time the third set is released, the coyote is running out of gas!
No way a coyote can sprint for 30 minutes, even to save thier own life! They outlawed the use of spotter airplanes in KS. many years ago! |
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OK, we all have opinions and they are all welcomed!! Happy Hunting!
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I know a coyote can do 45 for a half hour. Let's not confuse fact with opinions!;) |
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OK, But remember me when you find out that they can!!!;)
Then you can invite me out to Colorado for an all expenses paid coyote hunt in Elizabeth!!!:) |
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Where in the world did you get the idea that we even have coyotes around here! Actually there used to be two, but I shot both of them this winter!;)
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