If you want to shoot game at 100,200,300,400,500,600,700,800,900,1000.......... you have to paper those ranges to be what I would call ethical. And not just in perfect conditions either shoot those ranges on windy days too. That is the only true way you know for sure what your bullet is doing.

"I shot my elk at 800 yards and held 12 inches over it's back" B.S.................... Doesn't take long to sort out those BS story's.

I'm confused, so nobody can use hold over for long range shots?

they can but whats the drop on an average rifle at 800 yards? if its more than 28" than a 12" over the hair holdover would completely miss an elk, my 7 mm STW sighted in 2.5" high at 100 is 19.2" low at 500, just putting it in perspective.
RR

If Blackelk is REALLY meaning literally 12" over it's back, then sure, I agree, a foot over it's back isn't a proper hold-over for pretty much ANY round. BUT, I mostly assumed he was pulling 12" out of his hat, and moreso making a point that hold-over isn't the way to make long range shots.

I used plex reticle and non-turret scopes for a long time, then switched up to mil-dot scopes. Sure, I have a scaled reference so it's not pure hold over like the plex was, but it's still hold over.

Prime example: Two seasons ago I held over 30" with my wife's rifle and delivered a double heart and lung shot, plex reticle Nikon 4.5-14x40mm scope. No, it wasn't a super long range shot since it was a slow flying round, but 30" of hold over is a big drop to compensate for with a plex. Not gonna play games to hear someone call BS on me for it.

rhe vari-x III's had another scale on the power ring to tell you the inches at that power from the crosshair to the thick part of the plex, I used it to make my longest holdover kill at 626 yards, been so long ago I forgot most of the details. that's why I don't post much about it, without the facts of what I did to make the shot I'm defenceless when the flaming starts.
RR

Nomercy,

It wasn't in references to using hold overs for shooting game, which I do myself on a regular basis. The reference was to someone telling you a BS story which you know is a farse about shooting. If I was to sight in my 300 WM with my particular load at 300 yards it still drops about 87 inches at 800 yards, if I held a foot over it's back then the bullet would drop well below the elks hooves. It was for a example only of some stories I've heard people say about shooting at game, nothing more nothing less.

800 yards requires target turrets IMO.

I'm not capable with my "ballistic plex" (BDC type) reticle - but that's okay with me. :-)

Throw an inexpensive BDC scope on a .22 and you can practice for cheap.

and those turrets better be repeatable, you need a chart tuned to your trajectory just as you tune a load to your rifle, the hardest thing for folks who have never done this is setting the focus/parralex to make sure the crosshairs appear where they are on target. then on sunny days its mirage, oh and that little thing about setting windage,
By the way guys I hit a 5# fire extinguisher Saturday at 985 yds, centered a steel plate at 1022, had a good day.
RR

RR pretty impressive... I can't wait until things slow down a bit this winter and I get to go play. Not being able to go to all my regular shoots this year has created a lot of anxiety for some down time and being able to put some lead into the air.