70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

Has anyone loaded the new 70gr tripple shock for their .223 yet? What types of groups are expected with a 1:12 twist 22" barrel?

My uncle can't shoot much over a .22 anymore for health reasons and I tought that this bullet might be a good low recoil option for whitetails.

How does the 60gr Nosler partition shoot out of this barrel? This gun will shoot the Nosler 55gr B-tip into a 1"group at 100 yards, would the 60gr be very close to this?

Thanks
Tom

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

Wow! Didn't know they were making a .224 X bullet this heavy. The 1:12 twist isn't going to stabilize this bullet - you will probably need a 9" twist. This could have some real potential for medium big game out of one of the bigger cased .22 centerfires . . . . . .

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

Due to the length factor involved in a all copper bullet, a 9 twist may not even be enough. You may need to push it really fast to work in a 9 twist.

What I can say is that it won't work in a 12. don't see how it could.

That being said the X bullet is not a typical bullet and if you can get any of the 50 grain range bullets to shoot, they will hold together well. Its another option anyway.

Jeff

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

I agree, I don't think that the 1:12 twist would stabilize a bullet of that length. Looking in their reloading manual, they show the 50 and 55 grain regular X bullets for deer sized game. Good luck on finding a load!

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

Cabelas is selling the bullets in their shooting catalog this year. Does anyone have any experience with the .224 60gr Nolser partition? How do they shoot out of a 1:12 barrel?

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

I think you might be better off with one of the smaller grain triple shocks. The 53 grain does pretty good in my A-bolt, which has a 9" twist barrel. Terminal performance on those bullets seems to be exceptional so far.

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

To many people believe what they read! I have a 223 in a 1-12 twist and it shoot anything very accurate,except the 69 grain sierra. I talk to Ralph whom owns barnes bullets before this came out on the market,because i was hunting and killing deer,and wild pigs with mine in the 70 gr Speer ssp bullets which are real good. He sent me a bx of the triple shock x bullets. They work great,just as he said they would.I use the sam loads for them as i did the speer bullets I use them only for hunting if i ewre you because of the cost.Or buy the speer 70gr ones they are cheaper and word really good also. Don,t believe all that crap on twist formulas ect.Yhey are wrong. vangunsmith

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

vangumsmith:
1. Shoot us a pic of groups with both 70s and 69s. I'd love to see that comparison. And does your 12 twist actually measure 12?

2. I've got more barrel time in 223 rifles than most folks would ever believe. I've shot everthing from 14 twist to 6 twist and find it extremely hard to think a barrel would shoot a 70 Barnes but not a shorter and slightly lighter 69 match grade projectile. Though X bullets are a super hunting bullet they can be a bit finicky in rifles. While on the other side of the coin I've yet to see a properly twisted 223 not shoot 69 SMK into .75 moa or less all the way out to 600 yards under calm conditions.

3. BTW what Ralph did Randy and Connie sell to? One downfall of living right out here in the country is being behind on the news. At least I'm still happily sitting on top of my own 600 yard range. Its a trade off I want to keep, regardless the speed of changing news.

4. Which twist formula do you use if the others are wrong? Or do we just take a guess nowdays? Let us have a hot link to the correct formula.

5. I need to hunt where you do if its too expensive to use good bullets for hunting. You must shoot a ton of animals a year! Even I can afford a couple of boxes a year and that would be at least 100 animals. And I'm on a rural salary scale!

6. BTW whats the OAL length on that stubby little speer 70 vs the X in 70 grains? I think I've got some speer stashed here but haven't seen the Triple Shocks in 70 grain and don't know their length for sure. If they are representative of other X offerings they have to be longer than the Speer for sure. Length is a factor in stabilization. I have yet to see a barrel stabilize a longer and heavier projectile and not a shorter lighter one. Even my safe full of 6.5 twist 3 groove tubes stabilize from 90s down to 52s.

IMWTK

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

The 60 gr. Partition should be just on the "good" side of stable - if the gun is a true 1:12. I had a 12 twist gun (.223) about 15 years ago that was really marginal with the 60 gr. Nosler solid base. Turns out the actual twist was around 1:12.2.

Stability also depends to a lesser degree on temperature, barometric pressure, and (of course) velocity. As our military found out with the original A-1 M-16's, conditions in the artic caused the 55 gr. FMJ military ball rounds to tumble out of a 1:14 twist gun.

Up until then, Uncle Sam was pretty happy with that combination - and when they "solved" the problem by increasing the barrel twist to 1:12, our troops in southeast asia noticed the new guns didn't knock down the enemy soldiers as well - apparently the orginal 1:14's had the bullets just marginally stable and would subsequently tumble as they passed through the body of a VC terrorist. The same bullet out of a 1:12 just pencilled through.

Anyway, contrary to some dissenting opinions, this twist thing is not a bunch of smoke and mirrors - it is fairly scientific . . . and all I really know is that if you have too much, you are probably still OK . . . and if you don't have enough, you are completely out of luck.

RE: 70gr Tripple shock X bullet for .223???
 

Gundigest

I have a 12 twist thats in 22-250. It shoots 60 Partitions just under an inch at 100 yards. And shoots 60 solid base Noslers even a bit better.

Good luck, Jeff