Not a reloader but have a question?
#1
If I found a guy who is an exprienced reloader, is it legal to pay him to make ammo for me?
If so, does anyone here live in the Central Ohio area who might want to load some .223 rounds and some shotgun shells?
If so, does anyone here live in the Central Ohio area who might want to load some .223 rounds and some shotgun shells?
#2
Nontypical Buck
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Only guessing, but I'd say it is legal.
Would I trust just anybody to load for me...........nope. If i knew the guy that's one thing. What if one of his loads blows up your gun? You never know, to many beers mixed with too much of the wrong powder. Personally I would not load for anybody but my hunting partners.
Would I trust just anybody to load for me...........nope. If i knew the guy that's one thing. What if one of his loads blows up your gun? You never know, to many beers mixed with too much of the wrong powder. Personally I would not load for anybody but my hunting partners.
#3
Nontypical Buck
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From: Western Nebraska
You get into a sticky situation buying reloads from someone. Technically the person needs a manufacturer's license.....but it's acceptable for him to sell you reloading components as long as he includes the sales tax and then he can charge you labor for reloading.
Don't go there...it's messy!!
Have someone show you how to do it and do your own reloading.
If someone reloads your components for you free I suspect it's legal.....but don't ever forget the liability that might ensue.....
It's just not worth it.
Don't go there...it's messy!!
Have someone show you how to do it and do your own reloading.
If someone reloads your components for you free I suspect it's legal.....but don't ever forget the liability that might ensue.....
It's just not worth it.
#4
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I can not tell you about the legality of this but from a safety standpoint I would stay away from having someone reload for me. A short time ago I had a guy I work with reload some ammo for my 300 win. mag. He never asked me to borrow my gun or even "dry fit"
a casing in it to check the COL. Well, needless to say the first round I shot locked the action up tighter than a drum. This was due to way too much chamber pressure and i'm lucky the gun still functions and all my fingers are still on the end of my hands. Needless to say I now do my own reloading and after all of the research I did before getting started I can honestly say how foolish I was to let someone else do my reloading.
a casing in it to check the COL. Well, needless to say the first round I shot locked the action up tighter than a drum. This was due to way too much chamber pressure and i'm lucky the gun still functions and all my fingers are still on the end of my hands. Needless to say I now do my own reloading and after all of the research I did before getting started I can honestly say how foolish I was to let someone else do my reloading.
#5
E^Pii,
Why don't you invest in your own reloading setup? There are a few guys who run small time custom ammo businesses that people who don't have the time or desire to load their own, but still want the benefits of handloads worked up for their gun can buy ammo from. I believe the cost of working up a load and then loading the ammo for you works out to $50+ per box in the end. Hardly worth the cost when you can buy Black Hills .223 ammo for $20 a box. The problem you run into is not the cost of components, but the time (labor costs) it takes to work up a load for you and then load the finished product is the costly part.
Consider investing in your own handloading setup. My handloading setup is the best investment in this hobby/sport I've ever made, and I wish now I'd gotten into doing it sooner. Handloading also opens a lot of doors to cartridges and custom guns not accessable to those who don't handload. I'm looking forward to having my first custom rifle built in the wildcat of my choice, knowing that I can make all the ammo I want for it.
Mike
Why don't you invest in your own reloading setup? There are a few guys who run small time custom ammo businesses that people who don't have the time or desire to load their own, but still want the benefits of handloads worked up for their gun can buy ammo from. I believe the cost of working up a load and then loading the ammo for you works out to $50+ per box in the end. Hardly worth the cost when you can buy Black Hills .223 ammo for $20 a box. The problem you run into is not the cost of components, but the time (labor costs) it takes to work up a load for you and then load the finished product is the costly part.
Consider investing in your own handloading setup. My handloading setup is the best investment in this hobby/sport I've ever made, and I wish now I'd gotten into doing it sooner. Handloading also opens a lot of doors to cartridges and custom guns not accessable to those who don't handload. I'm looking forward to having my first custom rifle built in the wildcat of my choice, knowing that I can make all the ammo I want for it.
Mike
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Nontypical Buck
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From: NW Ohio , 5 min from Ottawa National / Magee Marsh
I ask a BATF agent something close to that ,he said if you buy reloads from him he needs a venders license and a ammo remanufactung license and insurance .he can give you the ammo , no cash or trade (you can't give him anything for the trouble ) . or the best way IMO is to help him and learn .Them get your own press ect.
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I had an ammo mfg license for many years. Unless something has changed, you can't even GIVE away reloaded ammo!!! You need an ammo mfg license to load any ammo for anyone else even for FREE.
Now, you can show this other person how to load, and let them use your equipment, and even help them load there ammo, but that's the only way to make it legal!!!
Keep in mind, if "you" load some ammo, and GIVE, or SELL those rounds to someone, AND, they get mud or ??? in there bbl., or for any reason, there gun blows up, guess who will get sued?????????
It will be up to YOU to prove your ammo didn't cause the problem!!!
Drilling Man
Now, you can show this other person how to load, and let them use your equipment, and even help them load there ammo, but that's the only way to make it legal!!!
Keep in mind, if "you" load some ammo, and GIVE, or SELL those rounds to someone, AND, they get mud or ??? in there bbl., or for any reason, there gun blows up, guess who will get sued?????????
It will be up to YOU to prove your ammo didn't cause the problem!!!
Drilling Man
#8
Bad idea all around besides it being illegal without a license.
How much would you be willing to pay for these handloads?
Working up a load is a very time consuming project, My time isn't free and I would charge $25/hr if it were legal. After a load is worked up, I can turn out about 5o rds per hr, which when you consider the cost of componenets added on top of the labor, will cost you more than factory ammo.
Best bet would be to get your own equipment and do it yourself.
How much would you be willing to pay for these handloads?
Working up a load is a very time consuming project, My time isn't free and I would charge $25/hr if it were legal. After a load is worked up, I can turn out about 5o rds per hr, which when you consider the cost of componenets added on top of the labor, will cost you more than factory ammo.
Best bet would be to get your own equipment and do it yourself.
#9
Nontypical Buck
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From: A flat lander lost in the mountains of Northern,AZ
I couldn't agree more with everyones statements, I know all the reloaders in this forum and everywhere can sure agree on this, Not only do we reload to save money only sacraficing our time to do it but is completely worth it because it is fun and also fun to shoot what we reload. But on the other hand the time we spend to reload ammo put into a dollar amount our ammo actually would be more expensive then factory loaded ammo. So my only advice is reload your own.
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Nontypical Buck
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From: A flat lander lost in the mountains of Northern,AZ
note on the shotgun shells , I used to reload those but now walmart carries trap & field bulk packages of 100 shells for cheaper then I can reload them for. So the only shotgun shells I still reload is steel shot and turkey magnums other then that its just not worth reloading anymore. But on that same note I would never let anyone reload for me especially shotgun shells where they are easier to screw up on and make a danerous load.




