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Cut'em Jack 02-26-2010 07:55 AM

Fire forming 280 AI brass
 
better done with normal factory loaded ammunition or load lighter 280 rounds in new 280 brass..?

Obviously new 280 AI Norma brass is the way to go, just curious about fire forming..

Cut'em Jack 02-26-2010 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner (Post 3584806)
Ackley improved cartridges are designed to headspace .004" shorter than the parents, so you can shoot 280 factory ammo, or use cornmeal and a papertowel plug if ya don't wanna waste bullets. here's how I turn 270 win cases into 6.5 Gibbs cases

resize to a crush fit in the 6.5 chamber
prime and charge with 11 gr of unique, put a finger over the case mouth and tap once on the bench to settle the powder
fill the case to the top of the case neck with corn meal, put a finger over the casemouth and tap once or so to settle the cornmeal to the bottom of the case neck

now tear a 1.5" wide strip off a paper towel and twist it into a skinny worm, stick it into the case neck, wad it in till full then pinch it off, use a small punch to pack the plug in tight.

keep muzzle pointed down, if you have a brake remove it, watch barrel heat (cause it'll get hot!) clean your barrel well when done, shoulders should come out just rounded on the edges, but will sharpen up nicely on the first full power firing.
RR

So would you expect better results after the second full power firing? Essentially the first full power load would finish the job of the cornmeal and paper towel. Correct?

Might be easier to just shoot some core-loks, at least just for a little pointless range time...Could any accuracy, even remotely, be expected?

Pawildman 02-26-2010 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Cut'em Jack (Post 3584868)
So would you expect better results after the second full power firing? Essentially the first full power load would finish the job of the cornmeal and paper towel. Correct?

Might be easier to just shoot some core-loks, at least just for a little pointless range time...Could any accuracy, even remotely, be expected?

.........You may be surprised at the accuracy you get with a decent fire--forming load... Some people have found it to be nearly equal to the formed case loadings. Like RR stated, you can shoot factory ammo in a properly constructed AI chamber and may or may not get acceptable accuracy, just as a given gun may or may not like a particular load that could be extremely accurate in someone else's gun of the same cartridge, bullet weight, powder weight, primer, etc. :confused0024:........

jeepkid 02-26-2010 04:35 PM

I've had fireform loads shoot 1/4" at 100...

Didn't Nosler just come out with .280 AI brass?

Cut'em Jack 02-26-2010 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by jeepkid (Post 3584978)
I've had fireform loads shoot 1/4" at 100...

Didn't Nosler just come out with .280 AI brass?



Yeah, which is probably how I'd go, just a little curious about fire forming methods.

jeepkid 02-26-2010 06:00 PM

I just load up some cheap bullets with a stout (not max, but not min either) load of a cheap powder and go shoot...

Pawildman 02-26-2010 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by jeepkid (Post 3585023)
I just load up some cheap bullets with a stout (not max, but not min either) load of a cheap powder and go shoot...


That's been my method also.

Cut'em Jack 02-27-2010 04:05 AM

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Great pix..so you are actually chambering the empty case to crush fit or is that the done with a resizer die? You ever have a problem with blown shoulders shooting factory rounds instead of the cornmeal process?

So essentially it would go through this order......(sans the blown shoulder)

jeepkid 02-27-2010 08:24 AM

I've haven't lost any cases fireforming with Lapua brass, but I have lost a couple cases when fireforming with factory Remmy ammo...

Pawildman 02-27-2010 09:49 AM

Personally, Remington is about my last choice for brass, period. It just doesn't seem as ductile as most others. For going on the "cheap", I'll take Winchester brass..........


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