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Old 10-10-2009 | 09:10 PM
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I have been beating my head against the wall trying to get rid of runout. Well I have managed to put up a high success rate of .002 or better. I will be making a video in Nov after hunting season.

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There are things you can do ahead of time to reduce runout....this pertains to seating the bullet.

Equipment:
RCBS CaseMaster guaging tool
RCBS Gold Medal Match die
Press
Brass, powder, bullet etc.
Small jewlers mallet, I used the flat part of my chamfer tool
Oh and most importantly PATIENCE

Step 1:

Run your brass up into the die making sure the neck,shoulder and body, hit the center of the sleeve. You may have to adjust your shell holder or placement if the base of the brass in the shell holder, or both. ( I had to adjust mine every time) Run the brass all the way up to center it. Let it down far enough to fit the bullet into the window. Do not drop it all the way down. Keep the neck in the sleeve.

Step 2: Drop the bullet into the window. Run the bullet into the brass or brass into the bullet, however you want to say it. Seat the bullet so the neck just grabs the base of the bullet. 1/16 to 1/32 of an inch and lower the ram.

Step 3: Take the cartridge out of your shell holder and place it in the RCBS case master guaging tool. Set the tool up so it measure runout at the beginning of the ogive. Spin it to find out how much runout exists.

Step 4: Spin the bullet to find the topside of the runout. Hold the brass firmly in place with your fingers and tap on the tip of the bullet with a jewlers mallet or something flat. Spin the bullet again to measure runout, repeat this process until you have .001-.002 of runout. It is important that the bullet is started straight and true.

Step 5: Put the cartridge back in the shell holder. Get down underneath your press to watch the bullet go into the sleeve. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. Make sure the bullet and neck are centered in the sleeve. If they are not....all the work you have done can be lost right here. When you have double, triple, and quadruple checked the centeredness by raising and lower the ram and spinning the shell holder or base of the brass to center it. Proceed to seat the bullet.

I loaded up 30 rounds tonight of 300 Win Mag and 90% of them had .002 or better for runout.

This may be confusing, like I said, the video will be coming to youtube in about a month.

Happy reloading.
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Old 10-11-2009 | 10:11 AM
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Yep, that shell holder is generally the culprit. Briman on here took his spring out of the ram and lets his shell holder float. Worked well for me too. I can't say I can achieve 90% less than .002, but I do something simular I bounce my bullet/brass while seating. I will raise the ram right to where it wants to push then drop back down, it will center my brass. I get do get consistent less than 0.003 and .004" this way.

Sounds like you have taken it to a whole new level. I don't blame ya for comp shooting. Everything is everything there.
 
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Old 10-11-2009 | 03:04 PM
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Is it worth the hassle? I'm already getting 1/4-3/4" groups by just doing it the old fashion way...
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Old 10-11-2009 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jeepkid
Is it worth the hassle? I'm already getting 1/4-3/4" groups by just doing it the old fashion way...
Thats up to the user and his purpose I imagine. My limit is what I do. I used to turn necks, fireform and all, but it was too tedious. Made reloading work.
 
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Old 10-11-2009 | 03:37 PM
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The only thing I do is turn the casing a few times while seating...I've never actually measured run-out.

But I would imagine a comp shooter needing every bit of edge possible...
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Old 10-11-2009 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jeepkid
The only thing I do is turn the casing a few times while seating...I've never actually measured run-out.

But I would imagine a comp shooter needing every bit of edge possible...

I'm getting a little PO'D about this..... Been waiting a LOOOONG time for my "Runout Correcter" from Hornaday...
Are they gonna produce these as they've said, or is there a problem??? I think they owe us an explaination.... Just really feel we've been put on and on......
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Old 10-11-2009 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawildman
I'm getting a little PO'D about this..... Been waiting a LOOOONG time for my "Runout Correcter" from Hornaday...
Are they gonna produce these as they've said, or is there a problem??? I think they owe us an explaination.... Just really feel we've been put on and on......

Save yourself some money. I am very disappointed with mine. I think correcting the runout that late in the game could play with your neck tension a little.

Cons:
The metal peices tarnished in less than thirty days in my house.

The RCBS tool was more precise IMO. The hornady said .001 and my RCBS tool said .004. Not sure who was right.

I just wasn't impressed with it.

If you want I would be more than happy to ship you mine, otherwise it is going back to MidwayUSA.
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Old 10-11-2009 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bigcountry
Yep, that shell holder is generally the culprit. Briman on here took his spring out of the ram and lets his shell holder float. Worked well for me too. I can't say I can achieve 90% less than .002, but I do something simular I bounce my bullet/brass while seating. I will raise the ram right to where it wants to push then drop back down, it will center my brass. I get do get consistent less than 0.003 and .004" this way.

Sounds like you have taken it to a whole new level. I don't blame ya for comp shooting. Everything is everything there.

I let mine float as well BC, but that still creates a problem. Get down below your press and watch that brass go up in the die. Just before it goes in, you can see it tip ever so slightly. Same thing coming out. That rubber seal holds onto you brass a little and you can see that brass tip again as it falls back into the shell holder when you lower the ram.

Get that bullet going in the brass straight at the earliest stage. Spinning half way through the seating process has given me mixed results.
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Old 10-12-2009 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by haugenna
Save yourself some money. I am very disappointed with mine. I think correcting the runout that late in the game could play with your neck tension a little.

Cons:
The metal peices tarnished in less than thirty days in my house.

The RCBS tool was more precise IMO. The hornady said .001 and my RCBS tool said .004. Not sure who was right.

I just wasn't impressed with it.

If you want I would be more than happy to ship you mine, otherwise it is going back to MidwayUSA.

You actually got one from Midway??? Now I'm really PO'd. Here I've been waiting patiently for a long time, as they told me it was on back order and would be shipped as soon as they got them in. Ain't that just special??

Thanks for the offer to ship yours to me, but I think I'm gonna sit back and weigh some other options right now.... If you ship it back to Midway, I might just end up with it anyhow...

I too have been using the rubber O-ring trick and it works well enough for me. I've never bought a concentricity gauge to measure runout, just figured a device that would measure AND correct it would be the way to go.... Thanks for the info...
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Old 10-12-2009 | 03:37 PM
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I have found the best way to reduce runout is to turn your necks, ream your case mouths, and square your dies. Good luck.
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