Pawildman

I kinda disagree with the claim that if you keep trying different combinations, sooner or later you will get a bullet to shoot well. Believe me, I thought I was going to burn a barrel out years ago trying to get Sierras to shoot in it. As soon as I switched manufacturers, Zap!! Instant success.

jeepkid

The Bergers are about $1 more for a box of 100 then the Sierras, while the Accubonds are about $10 a box more. The TSX's are about twice the price. I have 50 160 XLC's loaded up already, and 50 160 Accubonds so I will try some of those out first.Its looking like the Bergers are going to need to be tested for sure.

I hope my rifle doesn't like the Accubond load, because I loaded them with H870 powder and I can't seem to find a place that sells it any more...

I should have pointed out earlier that I will limit myself to about 350-400 yard shots on deer, elk... Any farther will be target practice and most likely the occasional coyote.

HEAD0001

[quote]ORIGINAL: stubblejumper

I am well aware that each rifle has a bullet preference.The question was directed specifically at HEAD who insists that no nosler bullet can ever outshoot a sierra.If you read his previous posts you will better understand the reason for my asking.

Horse Puckey. I have been loading Nosler bullet's for a long time. If you remember Nosler was the first to bring out the Premium Hunting Bullet in the Partition(there were others, but the Nosler was mass marketed). The bullet was a fantastic performer on game, but it was not known for it's accuracy. That was my point(maybe I could have put it better). I specifically said in my original post that the BT was a very accurate bullet-so do not misrepresent what I said.

My main reason for posting was to relay to JEEP that I do not believe the more expensive bullets give any additional performance over the Sierra. This is just my opinion, but if you can get a less expensive bullet to do what you want, then why would you buy the more expensive bullets??

I shoot Berger bullets also. There are times when it is extremely difficult to get Berger's. I would like to have some 40 grainer's right now. I am not attacking your HOLY Nosler bullets, I actually hunt with Nosler BT's in my 30-06 because they shoot better than the Sierra's in that particular rifle. But I did try the less expensive Sierra's first.

I guess I am just an old timer who has seen it all. I do not fall for marketing ploy's, and trendy thing's. I go with performer's. If superiority can be proven, then I am all for it. But IMO the expensive bullet's or "designer bullets" have not shown me any improvement. Tom.

stubblejumper

What you said is very plain,and impossible to misrepresent.

I am pointing out that in some rifles,mine included,the ballistic tip will outshoot the sierras.Your statement quoted above,states very plainly that it is not possible.

So just how many rifles have you tested for accuracy with the accubonds?How about the E tips?How about the solid base?They are all Nosler bullets,so if you haven't tested them all,your statement only applies to the partition and no other Nosler bullets.

Have you tried the solid base,the e-tip,interbond,sst,tsx,ttsx,mrx,failsafe,bearclaw,a-frame or scirocco.If you haven't,you certainly haven't seen it all,or given them a chance to prove thenselves.If you haven't used them,how can you know how they perform in your guns,or on game?By the way,I have been loading for over 30 years myself and I have tried all of the bullets mentioned above except for the ttsx and the e-tip,which aren't available yet in my area.I have also tried many more bullets to see for myself how they perform in my guns and on game.

Having done so,I don't make foolish blanket statements such as"But the Ballistic tip's will not outshoot the Sierra's." because I do realize that each gun is different,and the odds are that such a statement will not always be correct.

HEAD0001

I actually have tried most of the bullet's you suggested(I will admit not all of them). I have also tried many, many other type bullets as well(Hornady, Speer, Woodleigh, Berger, Lapua, Barnes, and others). IMO you are just missing my point.

My point is simple-I have been unable to determine a true difference between the expensive or what I call "Designer Bullets", and the plain old Sierra Game King.

It is easy to take one line out of a comment and twist it around. And when you brag on the balistic tip(which I like), there are 100 other post's out therewhere people dislike that bullet. I happen to disagree with them on the BT being a bad bullet. But why is the BT almost twice as much?? I do not know that answer-other than marketing.

I truly believe that all the "Innovation" is truly a marketing ploy tosell another box of bullets. The old Game King's still drop the animal every time, and I can buy a lot more of them so I get to shoot alot more. Tom.

stubblejumper

When a statement is made so plainly,it can't possibly be misunderstood.

I never stated that more expensive was always better.I have seen some rifles shoot extremely well with power points or core lokts.

I use the ballistic tip as an example only because it shoots the most accurately in my rifles.However the tsx and mrx are almost as accurate in my guns and penetrate and retain weight better than even the partition,and much better than a gameking or ballistic tip when encountering heavy bones.

In most shot situations that is the case,but with certain shot angles or for use on dangerous game,I will choose bullets like the tsx or mrx,because they penetrate and hold together much better,and when the trophy of a lifetime presents itself,or my life is on the line,I will gladly spend a little more cash to have a better bullet.And when you add up the costs of a hunt,a few dollars more on bullets is not significant in most cases.
Lastly ,when the people that are out to eliminate all lead from bullets get their way,you will have no choice but to stop hunting with lead bullets.

HEAD0001

It seems now we are on the same page. I concur with every stastement you just made. And I will admit I was attacking the Nosler's a bit. Most of my experience with the Nosler's was with their older flat base, and their partitions. I should not have spoken badly about their new bullet's, because you are right. With the exception of the Ballistic tip's I have not tried them.

JEEP please accept my apology for hijacking your post. Tom.

ShatoDavis

jeepkid,

Let me preface my statements by saying that I do not intend to insult you.

Accuracy at 500 yards is more about the weapon than anything else. A standard hunting rig is not capable of the shot to shot accuracy required to shoot at 500 yards. Once you have a weapon that is capable of the kind of accuracy needed then load development begins to refine the accuracy even farther.

If you don't have a rifle that is capable of consistant 1/2" groups at 100 yards with almost any ammo then you don't have a 500 yard rifle.

So now If I assume that the rifle portion of the equation is handled, I would suggest either Seirra Match Kings or Berger's. If you look into the long range BR eguip. lists you will see that these two bullets dominate. I would start there. I heard that the berger's are exceptional on game, which blows me away. I even seen a test where they penetrated as deeply as TSX bullets.

jeepkid

No blood, no foul, no worries.

HighDesertWolf

have you even shot at 500 yards an actually hit something? ya realize wind drift is a real @#%$& at that range dont ya? even for a 7 mag screw what the ballistic calculators show they are based on mathematical equations not real life.. yea maybe you can put in wind speed but hay on the range the wind might be 10 mph from the west at 200 but then 30 mph from the east at 400 yards.