Tungsten 50 cal MZ bullets
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Here's my situation. I have a numbe rof deer stands surrounding large CRP fields. The shots could easily be taken with my 300WinMags, but this is a shotgun zone.
I did shoot a 270 pistol for a while but couldn't hold groups tighter than 12" at 100 yards off hand, so switched to a TC Encore MZ with a Precision Rifle 300 grn slug pushed by 150 grns.
I've been hunting a large deer, 275# or so and would like enuf power to put the deer down if I "have" to go thru a scalpula.
I did shoot a 235#er at 285 yards last year and did not like the penetration that I saw, but may have gone thru a 'branch' on the way. Don't know as I shot twice. But, the slug did NOT exit and had not gone thru any bones on the way to severing the hepatic artery.
So, in 2006, I had a shot at a 225# doe that I decided to take, but the deer turned down a trail that opened, but only at 385 yards.
I had LOTS of setup time, so I lasered, used a rail, figured drop and lead, but, in the end, decided to stand down.
So, after I was wondering what else I could have done, I started to think about tungsten cores.
I've thought about three ways to go:
1) Sintering powdered tungsten into lead and molding it myself, most probably in 45 cal with soft plastic sabots. Would probably use a 225grn mold, yielding a 325 grn to 370 grn tungsten slug.
2) Using Barnes MRXs in 308 cal and put them into some hard plastic 50/308 sabots I've got from a BAR application.
3) Using Speer 458 solid tungsten 500 grn African Grand Slams in a soft plastic sabot.
Aside from insanity, does anyone have any comments??
I did shoot a 270 pistol for a while but couldn't hold groups tighter than 12" at 100 yards off hand, so switched to a TC Encore MZ with a Precision Rifle 300 grn slug pushed by 150 grns.
I've been hunting a large deer, 275# or so and would like enuf power to put the deer down if I "have" to go thru a scalpula.
I did shoot a 235#er at 285 yards last year and did not like the penetration that I saw, but may have gone thru a 'branch' on the way. Don't know as I shot twice. But, the slug did NOT exit and had not gone thru any bones on the way to severing the hepatic artery.
So, in 2006, I had a shot at a 225# doe that I decided to take, but the deer turned down a trail that opened, but only at 385 yards.
I had LOTS of setup time, so I lasered, used a rail, figured drop and lead, but, in the end, decided to stand down.
So, after I was wondering what else I could have done, I started to think about tungsten cores.
I've thought about three ways to go:
1) Sintering powdered tungsten into lead and molding it myself, most probably in 45 cal with soft plastic sabots. Would probably use a 225grn mold, yielding a 325 grn to 370 grn tungsten slug.
2) Using Barnes MRXs in 308 cal and put them into some hard plastic 50/308 sabots I've got from a BAR application.
3) Using Speer 458 solid tungsten 500 grn African Grand Slams in a soft plastic sabot.
Aside from insanity, does anyone have any comments??
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I have put a 300 gr barnes XTP thru a moose and shot several deer with 250 gr projectiles that would weigh 250-300lbs using less powder then you are. Since your wanting to aim at the scapula I'd suggest a nosler partition or barnes saboted bullet, but bare in mind approaching 300 yards your at the short end of the stick with a ML. So if this is the ranges I'd stick to putting the bullet through as little media as possible aka behind the shoulder
. If 200 or under then fire away at the shoulder if you want.
The longest I have shot at a deer with an inline shooting subs was 227 yards, 110gr loose t7 and 250 gr hornady sst passed through the ribs and lungs = dead deer! The wound channel was rather unimpressive basically a 45 cal hole straight on thru. Your dealing with a projectile that has a very poor BC and sheds its velocity and energy quickly, penetration or lack there of will ensue as you get further out.
. If 200 or under then fire away at the shoulder if you want. The longest I have shot at a deer with an inline shooting subs was 227 yards, 110gr loose t7 and 250 gr hornady sst passed through the ribs and lungs = dead deer! The wound channel was rather unimpressive basically a 45 cal hole straight on thru. Your dealing with a projectile that has a very poor BC and sheds its velocity and energy quickly, penetration or lack there of will ensue as you get further out.
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I agree completely.
This is why I wanted to go to tungsten. It will hold retained energy longer due to it's increase mass... i.e. 300+ yard kill shots even when passing thru ribs/lite bone...
This is why I wanted to go to tungsten. It will hold retained energy longer due to it's increase mass... i.e. 300+ yard kill shots even when passing thru ribs/lite bone...
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Have you thought of using a LBT style bullet. A few years back a friend of mine killed a Mule Deer Buck with a Cast Preformance .45 cal. 300 gr. LFNGC on top of 100. grs. Pyrodex Pellets. He hit the buck in the front chest @ 200 yd. dropping him on the spot. The bullet was found between his butt and hide. Good luck.
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I have shot a number of elk with the 250 T/C Shockwave. They work really well - great balance of penetration and expansion. They will also work like gangbusters on the biggest deer that ever walked - even at extreme distances. I wouldn't consider the hassle and expense of Tungsten bullets for anything but maybe one of the "big five" in Africa.
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