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How do you get 75 gr (or more) of RL22 into a 300 WM, Ruger 77? My chamber will take a longer set of the bullet, but my magazine well will not take a longer COL. The longest is 3.395 and I can not get a 180 AB and 75 gr into that cartridge. I have tried compressing it but RL22 does not compress that well. I am using IMR4350 now but I am not happy with it for accuracy. Velocity is good at 3100 fps.

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I know I have used compressed loads before. But I just can't get that RL22 to compress. But I have made up my mind to get it to work OK. I read all over the place about others using RL22 with 180 and even 200 gr bullets.

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As stated before, use the drop tube. In addition, once you have your cases charged, take your loading block and hold it to your tumbler while it is running. The resulting vibrations should settle the powder some more.

If this doesn't get you there, do the same thing in two steps...put half of the powder in with a drop tube, vibrate it for a couple of minutes, then do the other half the same way.

What kind of brass are you using? I reload with 180 grain bullets and RL22 in my .300 Winnie and I just don't see how you could be having the problem. I seat mine out a touch further than you, but with 77 grains I still have enough room to hear it shaking. I am using WW brass.

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I use WW cases. My Ruger 77 chamber has plenty of room. Its the mag well that is short. I am going to measure it again tonight and see what I come up with.

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This is pretty odd. I would check my scales, cause you should be able to chuck up to 78gr or more depending how far out you load the bullet.

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yea deffinately check your scale with some quality check weights thats just crazy, you should beable to easily fit 77 grains into the case with a little room to spare.

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Also wanted to ask what kind of scale are you using? digital or beam? also whats the make and model? I personally dont trust digital scales for anything other then weighing cases, for powder charges I use only a beam scale. But I have had issues with a hornady beam scale only because the lock nuts on the end of the beam were tampered with and no matter what I did the scale was always off by 2 to 3 grains.

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Try some IMR 7828 SSC! It might work better in large doses.....

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I use a Lyman-Ohaus M5 scale. It is old (1968), but still is as accurate as ever.......

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I use an RCBS digital scale. I have checked it many times and it is right on. The problem is my mag well in my Ruger is the limiting factor. (3.390) Last night I measued out 75.4 gr of RL 22 into a 300 WM case and just eye-balled it. The top of the powder was well below the shoulder and I should not have any problem seating a 180 AB. I'll load one up tonight and see what happens.

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Well bud, you sound like you got it all figured out. So kinda confused on why you asked advise.

But all I know is I can load 180gr partition to 3.34 with 77gr of RL22 with remington cases. And still not really compressed.

I know I learned a long time ago. digitals can get ya in trouble. But you got it figured out.

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Thanks for you comments. I mainly was trying to determine if what I was doing was doable or if someone else had loaded 180swith RL22. Sometimes I try things that will never work. Also, the previous attempt at loading 180s was before I bought my Stoneypoint COL measurement tool. I don't see how I gat along without that.

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Ohaus makes an excellent scale, mines a Dillon-Ohaus eliminator its as accurate as a scale can be. To be honest Id be very reluctant to use anything else other then a Ohaus scale.

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hey its your gun and your life, but id be extremely leary about calling that a safe load... from what you explained in prior posts i tryed to mimick your situation I filled a winchester 300wm case accordingly to how you explained what was happening to you with not being able to seat the bullet and then I weighed the charge it had come out to 78.9 grains your gun might handle that I dont know..... but IMO its playing with fire and you might get burned literally!! just because your scale is zeroing out with your check weights doesnt mean its zeroed. id seriously check the charge with a beam scale just to be sure....

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a thought i had today, do you use calipers to check your case dimensions after sizing or do you just size them and go?? what brand of dies are you using? the die could be off and might be sizing the brass below dimensions. kind of a shot in the dark i dont really think a die could possibly be off that bad to effect case capacity that badly but heck you never know....

another thought I had was are you sure you have a 300 WM and not a
300 WSM???

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I think the problem was that I was trying to load 75-77 gr RL22into a 300 WM and seat the bullet (180 gr AB)to the standard 3.34 inch COL. Then I purchased a StoneyPoint COL gauge and measured the length. I don't remember what it came up with but it was a lot more than 3.4. So I loaded a few to fit my chamber only to find out that they would not fit in my magazine well. Actually the tip of the bullet caught on the front of the receiver when trying to eject the full round. So I measured the length that my mag well would accept and found that to be 3.495. Now I need to load a few rounds at 3.495 and see how that works.

I think this might work OK for 180s. I would like to load 200 Nosler Partitions also. Since they are somewhat shorter that the ABs, maybe it will be OK.

After using a Stoney Point gauge, I don't see how a reloader gets by without one.

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The 3.4" standard is to the tip. Not with a Stoney point. The measurements you get with a stoney point are only for your own personal record keeping to you can duplicate that load next time. Also, 200gr partitions might have .1" of the tip gone but still probably same length as 180gr accubonds.

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I dont have one of those stoney point tools, and I get along fine. Honestly they look like a good tool to have but sofar I have not needed one. And I reload for 8 different rifle calibers.

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HDW, the only place they are handy is bullets like a partition or corelok with a lead tip that deforms. And duplicating your old load can vary up to .06". Because you set up your seater based off that first bullet. Bullets with polymer tip like bullistic tips, you don't have to worry so much.

Other than that, just another thing

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LOL another thing got lots of those. like a shell trimmer pilot for 45 acp, easily 5,000 rounds of 45 acp handloads later still havent used it. Ive had 45 acp cases split way before they needed trimming.