RE: Bullet runout??????
 

No. I have never checked them. If a load groups one inch or less then thats plenty good for my needs. If its for deer hunting in the unit where I hunt then 1 1/2 inch groups are fine. I usually am happy with one inch and most loads best that when I can do my part.

RE: Bullet runout??????
 

Well good, you shouldn't be interested in this post then.

RE: Bullet runout??????
 

What exactly is run out? And should I be worried about it?

RE: Bullet runout??????
 

Runout is basically concentricity. Or how straight your ammo is. What we are discussing is straightness of the neck of the case and the loaded bullet. If you spin you bullet, does it wobble? When you size your cases, is the neck uniform roundness or does it have high spots. What I have seen more than not, is lets say you got a load that is great. You went to the range once or twice and got say .5MOA accuracy. Next time, you go with a newly loaded batch, all the sudden it goes to 2MOA. I have seen some real bad runout being the culprit. Could be bad brass with varying neck thickness, could be your sizing die is knocking the neck out in relation to the case body. Could be the sizeing die, or any of the dies not square with your press so you are pressing the bullets in crooked.

Most factory ammo these days from good companies are straight up to .004".

I would only be worried about it if you are getting inconsistent results and can't be explained. Its another tool for troubleshooting

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NECO CONCENTRICITY, WALL THICKNESS AND RUNOUT GAUGE

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Also referred to as "The Case Gauge," this item is designed to measure:


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3) The cartridge case head out-of-squareness;
4) Individual Bullets - out-of-round "egg shape" and/or
curved "banana" shape (excepting very small bullets);
5) The seated bullet and cartridge runout of loaded rounds. The accuracy of any firearm is determined -- and limited -- by the quality of the ammunition shot in it. The effect of imperfections in ammunition is cumulative; each flaw adds to the influence of all others. Precision shooters spend much time and effort "uniforming" cartridge cases, using advanced techniques to eliminate variation. Yet until recently, one of the most important of these variations has not been susceptible to detection by any device readily available to marksmen. [/blockquote]
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RE: Bullet runout??????
 

Neco concentricity Tester

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That cadilac of concentricity gauges. I got a sinclair

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Hey bro., Sinclair is good!:)

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Just because its a step thats I don't choose to take does not mean that I would have no interest in it. I have never had any problem building good ammo and reload for several African hunters every year. They are gun and hunting nuts but have zero interest in doing their own loading. However they like my 416 Remington loads and use nothing else.

If I ran into a problem that I could nor work out, thats something I would check because I certainly know what it is. I use good dies, set them right, clean and lube them right and that seems for me to do the trick. Next time I load a batch I might check to see what ball park I am in.

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I don't mean to be rude James, but whena person has a problem HE is concerned about, and asks for advise on something that sure won't hurt your shooting, and somebody consistently over and over comes one says, never did it, and never needed too, it just don't help at all, and gives the empression that you feel your better than the rest.

I guess what I am saying is, whats your point? Only thing I can read out of it is, "I dont do it so it must not be needed and your doing it wrong". Bottom line, in reloading there is level of who is the better reloader. I feel I am very proficient, and have showed some old guys many things, who had 40 years of experience who just wanted to chunk a bullet down a range at first and got stuck in that rut for 30 years. So pulling out the "I have been reloading since 1960" thing, only says one thing. I feel I am definately looking for something other than "mediocre" accuracy that is needed. I love reloading, I love target shooting. I take pride in what I do. I may be vain, and my like things asteticaly pleasing, where you don't. Everybody is different, thats the reason we live in different house, have different careers, drive different trucks.

I explained it to you many times, and you don't care to listen. Its not about need. I mean none of us here are curing cancer. We are having a good time in our own way. I want staight ammo. Sure, a contractor building a house can do it with semi straight lumber, but I insist on building that house with perfection lumber. Thats my way, and the reason I have the career I have. I expect that and more out of my people who do work for me. They grumble and try shortcuts, but thats not what I want.

I am not talking about 416's, and couldn't care too much about african hunters at this time. I like long range. At this time.

I hope you understand.