Velocity VS. Accuracy
01-16-2006, 10:01 AM
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RE: Velocity VS. Accuracy
12 Yards??? It ran 12 yards and some other guy shot and claimed the deer. What do you share your treestand with the other guy, how close do you hunt?. I think your full of crap.
I ask a simple ? and you try and turn the discussion about hunting bullets. I dont know it all thats why I ask questions obviously Im wasting everyone elses time and should just call you.
I ask a simple ? and you try and turn the discussion about hunting bullets. I dont know it all thats why I ask questions obviously Im wasting everyone elses time and should just call you.
01-16-2006, 10:13 AM
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RE: Velocity VS. Accuracy
But it is also true that all rifles are individuals, and what proves to be a maximum load in one may be quite mild in another, and vice-versa!
A load which proves to be maximum in the rifle which was used to develop the loads published in any given manual is just that-maximum in that rifle. This does NOT relieve the handloader from testing worked-up loads in his/her own rifle to ensure that the loads listed as maximum are not OVER MAXIMUM in that person's rifle!! In addition, just because a load is labelled "MAXIMUM" in some manual does NOT mean it is MAX. in yours!!
For example, I have a .30/'06 underbarrel on my Heym O/U combination gun, and a Ruger No. 1 in .30/'06. Both these guns will handle a pretty warm 200-grain load without a hitch. But I cannot shoot this load in my .30/'06 TCR barrel-it will not stand it! Extraction is unacceptable, and primers are extruded into the firing pin hole. So this load is OVER MAX. in the TCR, and under MAX in the other two...... and so it goes!
A load which proves to be maximum in the rifle which was used to develop the loads published in any given manual is just that-maximum in that rifle. This does NOT relieve the handloader from testing worked-up loads in his/her own rifle to ensure that the loads listed as maximum are not OVER MAXIMUM in that person's rifle!! In addition, just because a load is labelled "MAXIMUM" in some manual does NOT mean it is MAX. in yours!!
For example, I have a .30/'06 underbarrel on my Heym O/U combination gun, and a Ruger No. 1 in .30/'06. Both these guns will handle a pretty warm 200-grain load without a hitch. But I cannot shoot this load in my .30/'06 TCR barrel-it will not stand it! Extraction is unacceptable, and primers are extruded into the firing pin hole. So this load is OVER MAX. in the TCR, and under MAX in the other two...... and so it goes!
Duck,
You may wanna play with your seating depth. I assume your rifle has been accurized? Barrel floated, action bedded, and trigger adjusted? Remember, listed maximun overall length may NOT be what your rifle wants. Most of my rifles like their bullets seated out more than SAAMI suggested overall length. Oddly, my .243 doesnt. It has a smallish chamber. And by the way, I would never setlle for a .243 that shoots more than .75" at 100 yards. It should do much better.
01-16-2006, 10:21 AM
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RE: Velocity VS. Accuracy
The A-bolts comewith barrel floatedandI purchased a 1-2lb spring form Brownels for it, so it should be good with that.
I think thats a good idea.
Im at 2.183 and COL is at 2.200(I think I remember thatright)so I'm going ot seat it out to max to start. I read so much about feeding probs on the WSSMs that I didnt want to seat it to far out at first. Ive had no probs whatsoever so that may have only been the 223s or just some hogwash. These are just the first handloads I put through it. I shot some 100 Win P.P. factory stuff to breakin and site it in.
I think thats a good idea.
Im at 2.183 and COL is at 2.200(I think I remember thatright)so I'm going ot seat it out to max to start. I read so much about feeding probs on the WSSMs that I didnt want to seat it to far out at first. Ive had no probs whatsoever so that may have only been the 223s or just some hogwash. These are just the first handloads I put through it. I shot some 100 Win P.P. factory stuff to breakin and site it in.
01-16-2006, 10:21 AM
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RE: Velocity VS. Accuracy
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12 Yards??? It ran 12 yards and some other guy shot and claimed the deer. What do you share your treestand with the other guy, how close do you hunt?. I think your full of crap.
I ask a simple ? and you try and turn the discussion about hunting bullets. I dont know it all thats why I ask questions obviously Im wasting everyone elses time and should just call you.
12 Yards??? It ran 12 yards and some other guy shot and claimed the deer. What do you share your treestand with the other guy, how close do you hunt?. I think your full of crap.
I ask a simple ? and you try and turn the discussion about hunting bullets. I dont know it all thats why I ask questions obviously Im wasting everyone elses time and should just call you.
I answered you question. But suggested you find another bullet.You refuted. And earlierbascially come back and tell everyone, you knew what you were doing and didn't need any advise about things like max loadings cause you big expert.
But I know what it is, your just testing us?
01-16-2006, 10:33 AM
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Ok whatever you say. I thanked him for his post concerning max loads and think most people would agree that going over is common knowledge like was previously posted.
I dont understand when you say we and us. Its just you I think is full of crap and just wants to read his own rants and goes off ontangents no one asked about. Everyone else seems pretty helpful. I liked it better when you didnt respond to my posts. I have some other ?'s about loading can I have your phone # so I can call and get all the answers.
I dont understand when you say we and us. Its just you I think is full of crap and just wants to read his own rants and goes off ontangents no one asked about. Everyone else seems pretty helpful. I liked it better when you didnt respond to my posts. I have some other ?'s about loading can I have your phone # so I can call and get all the answers.
01-16-2006, 10:44 AM
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RE: Velocity VS. Accuracy
I think thats a good idea.
Im at 2.183 and COL is at 2.200(I think I remember that right) so I'm going ot seat it out to max to start. I read so much about feeding probs on the WSSMs that I didnt want to seat it to far out at first. Ive had no probs whatsoever so that may have only been the 223s or just some hogwash. These are just the first handloads I put through it. I shot some 100 Win P.P. factory stuff to breakin and site it in.
Im at 2.183 and COL is at 2.200(I think I remember that right) so I'm going ot seat it out to max to start. I read so much about feeding probs on the WSSMs that I didnt want to seat it to far out at first. Ive had no probs whatsoever so that may have only been the 223s or just some hogwash. These are just the first handloads I put through it. I shot some 100 Win P.P. factory stuff to breakin and site it in.
01-16-2006, 10:58 AM
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I have some other ?'s about loading can I have your phone # so I can call and get all the answers.
I have some other ?'s about loading can I have your phone # so I can call and get all the answers.
01-16-2006, 12:03 PM
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RE: Velocity VS. Accuracy
Awesome, do you giveinvestment advice as wellor are you only an expert at Reloading. I could really useyour expertise inother aspects of life. I would call my broker at Merill Lynch but what would he know.
Next time I wont waste time calling Nosler and asking them about bullets for deer, what could they know compared to what you have learned. Im going to call them back and tell them they are wrong about their bullets. Maybe I could pass your address to them, Im sure they would want to send you a thank you letter for correcting thier mistakes.
Im done making comments to you and wasting everyone else's time. Funny you tell me Im aknow it all but even when a bullet maker disagrees with your view on bullets you still just dont get it. Maybe its not everyone else thats bullheaded and thinks they know it all.
Next time I wont waste time calling Nosler and asking them about bullets for deer, what could they know compared to what you have learned. Im going to call them back and tell them they are wrong about their bullets. Maybe I could pass your address to them, Im sure they would want to send you a thank you letter for correcting thier mistakes.
Im done making comments to you and wasting everyone else's time. Funny you tell me Im aknow it all but even when a bullet maker disagrees with your view on bullets you still just dont get it. Maybe its not everyone else thats bullheaded and thinks they know it all.
01-16-2006, 12:53 PM
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Well, all that is little wierd. But par for the course. I would say stick with Merrill, but all those guys are crooks anyway IMO.
Hey man, you asked, I just answered. Sorry I hurt your feelings. Don't worry, there there, it will be ok.
Hey man, you asked, I just answered. Sorry I hurt your feelings. Don't worry, there there, it will be ok.
