Aught Six

What history book have you been reading? The earliest settlers were seeking a land in which they could freely worship God, but the founders of the U.S. were not of the same people. They wanted freedom foremost, not a theocracy. I think they would disagree with your assertions.

Saying that Christians should "stop putting up with all of this junk and call sin sin" makes no sense. Christians do call sin sin! But not everyone in America is a Christian, nor have they always been. Your call for changes in America sounds reminiscent of Khomenei's call for changes in Iran. A person can choose to believe in God, but the government has neither the authority nor the capability of choosing God for that person.

kevin1

Is there any special reason why this was not posted to/moved to the Religion forum where it belongs ?

Aught Six

Because we're talking about religious politics, not just religion.

kevin1

I'm sorry Clint ,
but I have a problem with this statement too . It's nobody's business what God anyone else worships , or doesn't . America doesn't have a God unique to her , but many beliefs all protected equally by our Constitution . I'm a card carrying athiest and I won't have someone else's beliefs rammed down my throat simply because they believe that their way is the only way . Even the beliefs of the non-believer must be respected in this country or we are not practising what we preach(no pun intended.)

Charlie P

You got a card? Where did you get it?

Clint, You gotta link to where you found this essay from. I did a google search on this reverends name and the #1 site was an old Jim Jones(Guyana) site. I guess his name was Jim Warren Jones.

Shawn

To me America is this country, not the government, and where did I say the government was founded by the same people? Nowhere. You are not distinguishing between America and the United States which was formed many years later. I was.

No, I would have to disagree, many Christians are becoming so callous to sin that they don't even think about it any more, only when it becomes so disagreeable, or steps on their toes do they yell. So yes it does make sense, maybe not to some, but it would to many. And you are correct, not everyone in America is a Christian, and that is a shame. I wish they were.

Again, where do I call for the government to do anything? I am saying the Christians must stand up and work to change things. I am calling for Born Again Believers to stand and work to make changes, not the government or anyone else.

Charlie P

Shawn, I'll bite what changes would you like to see?

Clint.

I just want to be sure you all understand that the views expressed here are not necessarily mine. I agree with some of the views but not all. This document was shared by the writer with a group of about 600. The Rev. Jones had written this to send to the editor of his local newspaper and was looking for input in regard to it. I posted this here to spark this conversation and debate about these issues. Thank you all for taking the time to respond. I had a hunch this would be a good topic. Perhaps I will share some of your responses with him if nobody minds.

Charlie, no I don't have a link or anything. This man is a minister in a church who contributes to a mailing list I subscribe to. He had given his permission to use it though. I didn't steal it!

Clint

Charlie P

Didn't think you stole anything. I find it interesting to check out a site where something came from, if there is a site.

Shawn

Homosexual marriage, priviledges for homosexual agendas, to stop taking God out of everything (The Pledge for example), allow our schools to have prayer, hey, if you don't want to listen to someone pray to God, don't listen. By not allowing prayer in school you are taking away my childrens' right to pray out loud and are forcing your non-believing views on them. Get rid of sex and sensless violence that is so prevalent on tv nowadays. If you want to watch it, rent it or go to the movies. More compassion shown for those unable to defend themselves, like children and the elderly. Stop abortion and make adoption easier. That would be a good start. Should the government mandate Christian values? No. But they also shouldn't endorse a climate that allows non-believers special treatment because they don't want to be exposed to God in any way. When the rights of Christians are taken away or trampled does anyone start a lawsuit? No, they tell Christians to stop being so righteous, that not everyone has those beliefs. Why can't Christians start telling non-believers to stop what we consider to be sin because we don't share their beliefs? Same argument from the other side of the fence.