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Old 12-08-2020, 05:12 AM
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Funny how the fraud only occurred in states where #45 got his butt kicked. The GOP fraud in FL and TX was disgusting and should be investigated.

Anything to undermine our democracy has been #45's motto since 2015. I can't believe GOP people can't see it.

Follow the money here. Where his fund is at $200million and he directs 75% of the funds he will keep spouting whatever it takes to get fools to contribute to his supposed cause. A couple of years from now that money will find itself in the same place as Trump University and the charities that he now legally banned from operating.

Fleeing america with their eyes and wallets wide open.
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Old 12-08-2020, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by hubby11 View Post
My information is not based on CNN but rather the three complaints filed in Georgia, specifically, the Lin Wood suit (dismissed by District court, dismissal upheld by Circuit court, 3-0) the "Kraken" suit (Sidney Powell, dismissed by District court, will likely be appealed) and the Trump/David Shafer suit (its unclear whether this has yet been filed). You can read the complaints here. You might want to read through them. The Kraken case claims a bunch of things, including ballot stuffing, water leaks and the Dominion stuff.

The rest of your post is simply a childish rant about me and my profession, of which you know nothing. Yes I am a lawyer. I practice in maritime law and have no expertise whatsoever in election law (it would be like a dentist attempting open heart surgery). But I can read and follow a court case as can most people. I am not sure why you are trying to pick a fight with me, telling me to go crawl under a rock. This sub-forum is for debate; it's not an echo chamber.
Election shenanigans are as old as elections. The Democrat establishment has tried so many dirty rotten schemes they have forfeited any kind of trust. The telling number is the number of Counties Trump won and the number of Counties Biden won and where those Counties are located. Most of the population centers have a history of election fraud for decades (centuries).
I'd rather apply a little logic than trust to a questionable court. Law and justice are way too often decided by who has the better argument and often strays far from, logic, the facts, and reality. I have little faith in the system.
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Old 12-08-2020, 07:18 AM
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lonestar50 does that make sense to you? seriously? ballots hidden by the thousands under a sheeted table ?

I mean c'mon


bottom line = DNC cheated way better than GOP did
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Old 12-08-2020, 08:23 AM
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There is fraud , itís been proven , they cheated in states that was the most believable , win or lose the wrong doing needs to be exposed to the country These Dems do not need to be in office period None of them they r all crooks and a lot of the republicans are crooks also , we need country loving Dems and republicans in every office to make the country great again To hard for one or the other to do it alone , but these new Dems green lovers , anti gunners , China and Muslim lovers gotta go both sides have to put America and itís people FIRST period
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Old 12-08-2020, 03:21 PM
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Funny how before the biggest butthole of a potus ever to exist, a month before the election when the polls were showing a blowout that occured, we had to start hearing this BS. When he won in 2016 he didn't cry like a baby about fraud, all the while the investigation proved without a doubt that he conspired with the Russians.

Oh well. He is a loser and he lost at a bigger rate than any potus ever lost.
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Old 12-08-2020, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
Funny how before the biggest butthole of a potus ever to exist, a month before the election when the polls were showing a blowout that occured, we had to start hearing this BS. When he won in 2016 he didn't cry like a baby about fraud, all the while the investigation proved without a doubt that he conspired with the Russians.

Oh well. He is a loser and he lost at a bigger rate than any potus ever lost.
really, that not what the mueller report said. After staffing the investigation team with all Hillary supporters and spending over 40 million dollars, the report said zero collusion with the Russians by the Trump team. However, other the other hand, It was confirmed Hillary, Obama and the DNC colluded with the Russians. So please put up or shut up!
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Old 12-08-2020, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
Funny how before the biggest butthole of a potus ever to exist, a month before the election when the polls were showing a blowout that occured, we had to start hearing this BS. When he won in 2016 he didn't cry like a baby about fraud, all the while the investigation proved without a doubt that he conspired with the Russians.

Oh well. He is a loser and he lost at a bigger rate than any potus ever lost.
Anybody who thinks a self-serving Biden Presidency and a realignment of the economy in the middle of a pandemic is wise is seriously arrogant, likely seriously selfish (short term profit), or self righteously stupid. Messing with an economy is like messing with an ecosystem, way way too many variables and complexities to anticipate the results. The law of unintended circumstances is likely to bite you in the ass. Sure you can nibble around the edges and make adjustments but messing with the foundations is likely to backfire on you. Our whole economy is predicated on growth and energy.
The Democrats coalition is largely nuts and completely divorced from logic or reality. Pandering to sectors of society is unlikely to be beneficial to society as a whole and IMO just breeds chaos.
Messing with the social foundations that have been refined over centuries is likely to produce the same results, a cascade of collapsing functionality.
The U.S. has reduced emissions by 10%, China and India combined have raised theirs by 450%. The Democrat answer is to realign the U.S. economy to further reduce emissions, this may or may not have any long term benefit and IMO is just as likely to cause more harm than good, the law of unintended consequence. You have to ask yourself how is tearing down the U.S. economy or social structure going to be good for the world in the long term?
My instinct tells me we are eventually headed towards feudalism after a few failed attempts at remaking our barely functional political system.
The same people who say there is no God and we owe all of our advancements to Darwinism seem to be the first ones who want to meddle with the natural progression of things. IMO both social engineering and economic meddling are bound to have catastrophic results, too complex on the one hand, and on the other hand, the attention span of most of humanity is way too manic to ever make radical changes work.
A long string of knee jerk crusades that are here today and gone tomorrow.
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Old 12-08-2020, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lonestar50 View Post
I know you won't believe this but this video has been shown to NOT show fraud. But the Georgia Secretary of State is corrupt and covering up the fraud, right? There was the one of the worker throwing away ballots...oh wait that was proven to not show fraud either.

Does security camera video show a Fulton County, Georgia, election supervisor suspiciously pulling suitcases filled with ballots from under a table after telling poll workers to leave the room? And did that election official continue to illegally count ballots without required monitors in a manner that calls into question Joe Biden's narrow win over Donald Trump in Georgia? No, those claim are not true: Two high-level officials with the Georgia secretary of state's office and a state elections board monitor each told Lead Stories that their investigations revealed nothing suspicious in the video. The officials said the ballots seen in the video were in regular ballot containers -- not suitcases -- and they had been removed from their envelopes and processed while news media and election observers for the Republican Party and Trump campaign were present. The media and party observers were never told to leave because counting was over for the night, but they apparently followed workers who left once their job of opening envelopes was completed, the chief investigator for the secretary of state told Lead Stories. The observers were free to return at anytime, she said. Georgia law allows observers, but does not require them to be there for ballots to be counted, she said.

The claims made at a Georgia state senate hearing by a Trump lawyer appeared in a video posted on YouTube on December 3, 2020, BY Trump's campaign titled "Video from GA shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER poll workers left" (archived here). The video description read:
WATCH: Video footage from #Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votesClick below to watch the video on YouTube:





The Epoch Times reported the false claims in an article titled Georgia State Farm Arena Footage Shows Poll Workers Staying Behind, Pulling Out Suitcases With Ballots published on December 3, 2020. It opened:
President Donald Trump's legal team on Thursday presented surveillance footage to a Georgia State Legislature hearing that appears to show election ballot-counting workers kicking out poll observers late at night on Election Day before pulling out suitcases allegedly filled with ballots.

A woman who identified herself as Jackie Pick, a lawyer who is assisting with their legal case, said the team received video footage from State Farm Arena's vote-tabulation center in Fulton County, Georgia. The team said that GOP poll watchers were not allowed to watch the counting process in the poll center.

But, according to Pick, an unusual occurrence took place later in the evening at around 10 p.m. ET. A woman--described as a blonde woman with braids--told workers to stop counting and told everyone to go home.

"Everyone clears out, including the Republican observers and the press, but four people stay behind and continue counting and tabulating well into the night," Pick said. They counted unobserved until about 1 a.m.
Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia's voting system implementation manager, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020 that what can be seen on the video is normal procedure and nothing looks "bizarre or odd."

Election workers known as "cutters" because their job was to open absentee ballot envelopes and verify ballots for eventual scanning and counting were dismissed for the night sometime after 10 p.m. on November 3, 2020, because their work for the evening had been completed, he explained. Those workers who remained were responsible for conducting the scanning portion of the process, since ballots could not be left without being scanned overnight. He said:
If you look at the video tape, the work you see is the work you would expect, which is you take the sealed suitcase looking things in, you place the ballots on the scanner in manageable batches and you scan them.
Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table. She said:
There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table.
There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left.

She said:
Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working.
In addition, she explained that the only ballots that were scanned after the media and other observers had left were those that had already been opened in front of these observers.

Contrary to the claim, the ballots were not in suitcases, she said. The black boxes and bins seen in the video are the standard container used for the ballot counting process.

A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.

The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state's office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.

The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.

According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden.

Sterling said when he looked at the results, "there was nothing abnormal in the distribution of votes."

Section ß 21-2-408 of the Code Of Georgia, which addresses poll watchers, explains that political bodies and parties are "entitled" to have official poll watchers. The secretary of state's chief counsel told Lead Stories it was not a requirement that observers be present for counting to continue -- only that it is their right to be there is they choose.
If your office just certified the vote claiming zero corruption and its been revealed that you had this tape in your possession with you own election official involved in conducting the fraudulent activity, what would you say to the press? Oh by the way, their election official's son is the main spokesman for the Warnock campaign and happens to be tied to another election fraud case. I also find it very troubling the election officials are trying to claim they never told people to leave. Yet it's been confirmed with audio of their very own election official stating this fact on the news when it occurred. We also have the tweet from the ABC local news from that very night around 10:30 pm stating that their own election official said counting was halted for the night due to the water main break. Hmmmm, sure sounds like their desperate to hide their corruption. I noticed the witnesses are under penalty of purgery. The folks from the election officials aren't. Statements have a tendency to change once they're asked to swear they're telling the truth.
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Old 12-08-2020, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lonestar50 View Post
I know you won't believe this but this video has been shown to NOT show fraud. But the Georgia Secretary of State is corrupt and covering up the fraud, right? There was the one of the worker throwing away ballots...oh wait that was proven to not show fraud either. ...
You're right. I don't believe it.
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Old 12-09-2020, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
Funny how before the biggest butthole of a potus ever to exist, a month before the election when the polls were showing a blowout that occured, we had to start hearing this BS. When he won in 2016 he didn't cry like a baby about fraud, all the while the investigation proved without a doubt that he conspired with the Russians.

Oh well. He is a loser and he lost at a bigger rate than any potus ever lost.
polls showed Hillary with that kind of lead too -polls are jokes

Trump has talked about fraud for a long time - Russia he was found innocent of

Trump very likely WILL lose but remember what Joe said

“We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

Joe didn't lie

Hillary didn't either - she was expecting Biden to lose

“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,”

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