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Is San Francisco Guilty of Conspiracy to Commit Murder?

Old 07-05-2015, 04:30 PM
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if a gun manufacturer is guilty when someone abuses their products ... and a school responsible when a crazy shoots the place up, and a State accountable if someone was in prison when innocent


sure, I don't know what a city cannot be responsible as well as the police district that released the guy AND as well as the US Govt for not securing our borders
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:04 AM
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Murder? No. Manslaughter? Yes.
In most places in order to find someone guilty of murder, especially first degree murder some sort of intent has to be proven. I don't believe San Fran had any intent or desire for this lady to get killed. But they definitely contributed to it and I think manslaughter would apply here. Maybe on of the lawyers on the forum will chime in.

I know if that gal was in my family I'd sue for $10 Mil for each instance in which this clown had been arrested and not deported and I've give any settlement money to a charity outside the state of CA. Maybe I'd give it to AZ or TX to help them combat illegal aliens along the southern border.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by flags View Post
Murder? No. Manslaughter? Yes.
In most places in order to find someone guilty of murder, especially first degree murder some sort of intent has to be proven. I don't believe San Fran had any intent or desire for this lady to get killed. But they definitely contributed to it and I think manslaughter would apply here. Maybe on of the lawyers on the forum will chime in.

I know if that gal was in my family I'd sue for $10 Mil for each instance in which this clown had been arrested and not deported and I've give any settlement money to a charity outside the state of CA. Maybe I'd give it to AZ or TX to help them combat illegal aliens along the southern border.
I posted earlier my husband's comments on the thread heading.

I'll repost his comments.

I am acting as my husband's voice here.

You can't sue someone for murder. Murder is a crime, a specific intent crime.

Their cause of action would likely be Wrongful Death, in that, were it not for the grossly negligent actions of city actors, the victim would not have died. You would claim that the officials involved, given the perpetrators record, knew, or should have known, that he was dangerous and likely to offend again.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:31 AM
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Could only imagine what this idea would do to the legal system for everyone in the country. Wow, I guess we would have to incarcerate EVERYONE that committed any crime just to be careful that the criminal wouldn't go out and commit another crime and possibly have the policeman or judge etc sued.

Cops would be afraid to make judgments on their own.

The premise here seems preposterous and just another DRUDGE article that trys to rally troops.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
Could only imagine what this idea would do to the legal system for everyone in the country...
The premise here seems preposterous and just another DRUDGE article that trys to rally troops.
Your ignorance once again bounds to new levels. The perpetrator in this case was an ILLEGAL ALIEN who had no business being in the country in the first place. He has also been convicted of seven felonies previously. Knowing that he is in this country by unlawful means, the powers that be in SF chose to release him back into the public rather than see him deported again.

Sad how so many people like you sing the song of liberalism until they become the victim and then all of a sudden want everyone to show sympathy for them.

Time for you to return to the Ignore List.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
Could only imagine what this idea would do to the legal system for everyone in the country. Wow, I guess we would have to incarcerate EVERYONE that committed any crime just to be careful that the criminal wouldn't go out and commit another crime and possibly have the policeman or judge etc sued.

Cops would be afraid to make judgments on their own.

The premise here seems preposterous and just another DRUDGE article that trys to rally troops.
We have here an habitual offender statute. After you have demonstrated that you are a dedicated career criminal, you can get life in prison even though the current primary offense carries nowhere near that penalty.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sachiko View Post
I posted earlier my husband's comments on the thread heading.

I'll repost his comments.
We all saw what you posted for your husband, but did the difference between murder and manslaughter come up in the conversation? People have been taken to court under manslaughter in civil suites.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by olsaltydog View Post
We all saw what you posted for your husband, but did the difference between murder and manslaughter come up in the conversation? People have been taken to court under manslaughter in civil suites.
Apparently you are thinking about involuntary manslaughter which, in a civil action would be the same as wrongful death.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
Could only imagine what this idea would do to the legal system for everyone in the country. Wow, I guess we would have to incarcerate EVERYONE that committed any crime just to be careful that the criminal wouldn't go out and commit another crime and possibly have the policeman or judge etc sued.
The above has to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever read.

First, the guy is in the USA illegally and had been deported several times. Why is he even allowed to be here?

Second, he had been arrested numerous times for drug offenses, including felonies. But then you're willing to excuse those right?

Third, he was supposed to be turned over to the Feds in accordance with current law, but San Fran is a sanctuary city and refused to do so. So San Fran is at least somewhat responsible because they allowed him to remain free despite being a known criminal.

Fourth, there is a story circulating that he is claiming he went to the pier to shoot sea lions (a federal offense) with a handgun (he never should have had) and instead killed a lady for no apparent reason. Do you see anything wrong with this?

So, tell me NW why does the LIB agenda seem to be willing to turn a blind eye to illegals such as this? Why are you willing to just let such a criminal wander free on the streets to kill someone at random? Even now you cannot bring yourself to condemn his actions despite the fact this lady is now lying in a grave!

Even for someone like you, who marches to a tune nobody else seems to hear, this is a stretch!
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:29 AM
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The premise here seems preposterous
because you've not had a family member raped or killed by a repeat offender that your Liberal Democrat system lets out time after time after time

if it happened to you - you'd change your tune
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