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Old 07-16-2013, 03:53 AM
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By Tom Gara


Associated Press
The roll out of President Obama’s health care reform package was always going to be tricky, with vehement opposition from his political opponents and pushback from employers large and small. But after announcing last week that penalties for companies failing to comply with the law will be delayed by a year, the Affordable Care Act has a new, high profile set of dissenters: Unions.

The leaders of three major U.S. unions, including the highly influential Teamsters, have sent a scathing open letter to Democratic leaders in Congress, warning that unless changes are made, President Obama’s health care reform plan will “destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

If that’s not bad enough, the Affordable Care Act, if not modified, will “destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans,” the letter says.

The full letter, below:

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Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:

When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we*liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless*you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health*benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.

Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have*been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care.*We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground,*gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable*regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As*you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the*White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly*received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week’s*huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013”*deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The*unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:

First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous*employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly.*The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.

Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of*our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the*Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA*as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies*afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help*the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.

And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll*be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable,*and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.

On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no*longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing*of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.

We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow*our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged.*Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.

We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans*including the members of our respective unions.

We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:17 AM
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I would have thought you would have continued your never ending hatred toward Democrats and unions and not used a letter from a Union guy to continue your ongoing rant against BHO.

Of course the union leader in the country doesnt like the plan. BHO never had in mind to make everyone love the change, he wanted to try and fix the problem. Just imagine if this would bust up the unions. I guess if that happened you would be using that to continue the SPEW you do daily against BHO.

Pick a side and stay on it and stop twisting facts to serve some purpose.

Sounds a little like Rush Limbaugh when you do.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
I would have thought you would have continued your never ending hatred toward Democrats and unions and not used a letter from a Union guy to continue your ongoing rant against BHO.

Of course the union leader in the country doesnt like the plan. BHO never had in mind to make everyone love the change, he wanted to try and fix the problem. Just imagine if this would bust up the unions. I guess if that happened you would be using that to continue the SPEW you do daily against BHO.

Pick a side and stay on it and stop twisting facts to serve some purpose.

Sounds a little like Rush Limbaugh when you do.
Lol, some how I'm picking a side?

You made several false statements. Obama never tried to fix the problem. Obama wanted to grow the federal government. He succeeded. He was just able to dup these union leaders by lieing to them. They are just now figuring out what we on the right already knew.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:13 AM
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I bet there's a lot of guys like phil who's heads are exploding about now.......
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post

Sounds a little like Rush Limbaugh when you do.
FM .... I think neverwill just gave you a compliment ....
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverWill View Post
I would have thought you would have continued your never ending hatred toward Democrats and unions and not used a letter from a Union guy to continue your ongoing rant against BHO.

Of course the union leader in the country doesnt like the plan. BHO never had in mind to make everyone love the change, he wanted to try and fix the problem. Just imagine if this would bust up the unions. I guess if that happened you would be using that to continue the SPEW you do daily against BHO.

Pick a side and stay on it and stop twisting facts to serve some purpose.

Sounds a little like Rush Limbaugh when you do.
Not buyin' what you're sellin'. Obamacare was never about people's health... it's about political power and control. Do you really think the government cares about your health and well being???
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:36 AM
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saying 'I told you so' is more self-congratulatory than persuasive.
Poor taste? Usually.
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