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Old 06-11-2011, 09:44 AM
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And governments still don't get it!!!

So what have we learned in 2,066 years?

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

Cicero - 55 BC


Apparently nothing.
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Old 06-12-2011, 09:18 AM
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Apparently nothing
I guess they had liberals back then!
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:57 AM
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I guess they had liberals back then!
Yes but back then, they had 'other options' to deal with them:
"The Arena", "The Circus" ... basically, they were dealt with in a manner befitting their political views...heheehehehh
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:10 AM
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Yes but back then, they had 'other options' to deal with them:
"The Arena", "The Circus" ... basically, they were dealt with in a manner befitting their political views...heheehehehh
And the life expectancy wasnít as long either so you didnít have to put up with the B.S. as long!
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And the life expectancy wasnít as long either so you didnít have to put up with the B.S. as long!


aint dat da trufe
by the way, that isnt from 55bc. its from like a 1960's book.
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Originally Posted by halfbakedi420 View Post

aint dat da trufe
by the way, that isnt from 55bc. its from like a 1960's book.
nope....right decade....wrong attribution. It seems to be credited to a Louisiana Democrat, Otto Passman who stated it in a session of the house of representatives on 4/25/1968. This is the most complete rendition; while Cicero did in fact state PART of passage, it has been changed by anonymous authors to more closely fit the financial conditions of the times.

the above was gleaned and paraphrased from a weblog:
http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=5543

And regardless of source....does the unreliability of attribution render it any less true ? I for one am DOUBLY impressed
that it came from a democrat (if it is in fact correctly attributed). I guess they were not always scumbag socialists.....

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Originally Posted by bergall View Post
nope....right decade....wrong attribution. It seems to be credited to a Louisiana Democrat, Otto Passman who stated it in a session of the house of representatives on 4/25/1968. ...

actully sum chick wrote it in a book in 1965..a pilar of iron.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bergall View Post
And regardless of source....does the unreliability of attribution render it any less true ? I for one am DOUBLY impressed
that it came from a democrat (if it is in fact correctly attributed). I guess they were not always scumbag socialists.....

i aint into politics,and iaint sure what taylor caldwll was as far as dem or rep.....but ts a fictional statement from a book about a senator that taylor wrote
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Then you got me. Best I could do was find that 1968 attribution of the quote to the U.S. Representative. So maybe he 'took liberties' from the earlier book and incorporated that quote into his speech. Now matter how it twists, it is interesting to see how this got started.... Even more interesting, is that a cursory 'google' of Taylor Caldwell's book "Pillar of Iron" reveals the book is a fictional account of the life of Cicero, in which the much-discussed quotation was made. So the original quote is still questioned as to the correctness of it's attribution ! Did Cicero actually make that quote, as was reported by Ms.Caldwell in her 1965 work ? Or did Ms.Caldwell take some poetic license in creating or 'fleshing out' a quote Cicero actually made, or was the whole thing just made up ? I find references to all three possibilities but I can't find a verified source attributing that quote in it's entirety to Cicero...only to your Taylor Caldwell.

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Old 06-14-2011, 10:38 AM
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actually some big shot history professor from some big university ....i looked him up, John H. Collins, Professor of History at Northern Illinois University..he researched this quote and said it was a fraud and people shouldn't portray fiction as fact..but thats another argument.
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