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Old 05-12-2011, 03:13 AM
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No-work and all pay at Ground Zero as rebuilding costs up $96 million under lax union rules

BY Brian Kates
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Sunday, May 8th 2011, 4:00 AM


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In the next three years, no-work jobs could add $96.2 million to the cost of the many World Trade Center rebuilding projects






No-work jobs in a mob-linked union could add nearly $100 million to the public cost of rebuilding Ground Zero, a new report charges.
The Real Estate Board of New York, a major developers' group, says antiquated rules let a cadre of crane and heavy equipment workers pocket six-figure paychecks for little more than showing up.
In the next three years the no-work jobs, controlled by Locals 14 and 15 of the Operating Engineers, could add $96.2 million to the cost of World Trade Center projects, the REBNY says.
The projects include the Freedom Tower, the transit hub, the 9/11 Memorial and surrounding street work.
Contractor and union sources confirmed that the eight tower cranes at the WTC site guarantee a bonanza for Local 14 operating engineers and the Local 15 specialists who fix them.
On one day in mid-March, for example, contractors said 56 of 204 Local 14 and Local 15 employees on site held no-work jobs.
The board compiled the statistics in the runup to contract talks with the operating engineers and all the city's construction unions, which start next month.
Local 14 and 15 officials did not return calls seeking comment.
Many of the jobs are vestiges of an era in which the Colombo and Genovese crime families controlled Locals 14 and 15. Local 14 has been under a federal monitor since 2009.
One example is the full-time Local 14 "master mechanics" the contractor must hire whenever five pieces of heavy equipment or three tower cranes are in use.
With a $135,000 base salary, a master mechanic can make a staggering $405,000 a year with overtime that's guaranteed by six-day, 12- to 16-hour-a-day schedules. Welfare benefits, insurance and other costs hike the annual bill to $700,000 for that one mechanic.
It's a ridiculous requirement, REBNY says, because the manufacturer or crane owner does the repairs, not the contractor's master mechanics.
Instead, they are glorified shop stewards, a part-time job in most unions. With three required on site a day, that should cost about $6.3 million through 2013, the board says.
Master mechanic Carl Carrara Sr., identified as a Genovese associate, was charged in a 2003 racketeering conspiracy as the mob's point man in a no-show scam at the Museum of Modern Art.
He and six other master mechanics pleaded guilty that year in two cases that put much of Local 14 and 15's leadership behind bars.
Local 15 demands a similar piece of the action via "ģmaintenance engineers." They're required on site full time when a master mechanic is there and three major pieces of equipment are operating in case any machines need fixing.
"There is nothing for these guys to do," a World Trade Center construction supervisor said. Eliminating that requirement would save $7.5 million over three years at Ground Zero, REBNY says.
Then there's the Local 15 position of "crane oiler," a relic from the days when equipment needed frequent lubrication. An oiler is required on site when any tower crane is in use.
Today, the oiler simply fires up the crane at the start of work. With overtime, he can earn more than $100,000 a year.
And there's Local 14's "stationary equipment operator," with one assigned to each compressor, welding machine and spray fireproofer in use. With overtime, they pull down about $110,000 a year, REBNY estimated.
A World Trade Center construction supervisor who asked not to be identified said technology has reduced the job to two simple functions: "They turn the machine on in the morning and turn it off at night," the supervisor said. "They are basically non-essential."
REBNY wants the city to loosen the union's influence over who gets licensed to operate heavy machinery.
Now, only operators with city licenses can work here, and applicants must train with city crane operators - virtually all union workers. That gives the two locals a stranglehold on major projects.
"Locals 14 and 15 have the hammer. They have the power to shut down a job," said Steven Spinola, president of REBNY, which wants to be able to hire nationally licensed crane operators.
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:15 AM
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If we don't bust the unions we need to have our heads examined! They are no more than scumbags!!! All of them!!
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:46 AM
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I dont know about unions but cranes are expensive to have on site on any job.We work with them a lot and it doesnt matter if theyre running or not, those guys are still getting paid.The bigger or more specialized the crane the more it costs.

They cant run them safely in many weather conditions, wind, lightning, heavy rain, ice, will all shut them down.Typically with cranes you have the operater, the people rigging things, and people who tear down and set up the crane, and someone who does maintenance on it.Small cranes are easier to move, big cranes require tear down and set up every time they move.

I know a lot of the contracts the crane people get pay XXXX amount of money every day for the crane being on site, the guys with the crane are guaranteed, XXXX amount of hours per day at XXXX amount of money per hour.Thats every day weather the cranes running or not.I know one site we were on it worked out to something like 4500 a day for one crane and more for the bigger one, and it was still winter so every day the crane sat still it was running up around 9500 just for them being there.

But thats not even close to the final cost because generally if the crane doesnt run nobody works.Many of the guys on the project were traveling and were also guaranteed XXXX amount of hours and xxxx amount of money per day so they had to pay several crews for doing nothing but waiting for the cranes to run.

Also everythings done on permits and contracts so every day they lose generally requires permits for the cranes to be extended and every day a contract is past due costs penalties.

Thats on our sites, Im sure the situations different on a site where the cranes dont have to move and be on the roadways as often as ours do.But if the unions involved Im also sure the cost is much greater.
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But the unions are out for us little guys.
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Old 05-12-2011, 05:06 AM
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Sounds a little fishy to me, tell me the mob isn’t involved.
BTW, Burnie I ate at Black Diamonds again last night, the best Gumbo I've ever ate in my life. Being here (Corpus Christi Tx) three weeks does have it's beifits. We had three Heinekens and two Margaritas and the bar tab was 11 bucks.. WOW what a deal!

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Sounds a little fishy to me, tell me the mod isnít involved.
BTW, Burnie I ate at Black Diamonds again last night, the best Gumbo I've ever ate in my life. Being here (Corpus Christi Tx) three weeks does have it's beifits. We had three Heinekens and two Margaritas and the bar tab was 11 bucks.. WOW what a deal!
I hear ya. I love the Black Diamond.
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Originally Posted by The Rev View Post
Sounds a little fishy to me, tell me the mob isnít involved.
BTW, Burnie I ate at Black Diamonds again last night, the best Gumbo I've ever ate in my life. Being here (Corpus Christi Tx) three weeks does have it's beifits. We had three Heinekens and two Margaritas and the bar tab was 11 bucks.. WOW what a deal!
haha 11 bucks???

that's the going rate for 1 drink around here...
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:10 PM
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If we don't bust the unions we need to have our heads examined! They are no more than scumbags!!! All of them!!
I'll second that motion. Unions have caused so many company's to go belly up or move their operations out of the USA. Now, explain how that protects American jobs? Remember OTO. Jim
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If we don't bust the unions we need to have our heads examined! They are no more than scumbags!!! All of them!!

Some unions are bad and some are not. All unions cannot be lumped together.
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cougar Mag View Post
Some unions are bad and some are not. All unions cannot be lumped together.
I'm not a fan of public unions at all, but I agree with your statement. I've worked for a union in the past, and my wife has worked union for over 35 years. The only comparison that can be made between the two unions is that both have made many concessions over the years to keep their members working. But you and I will never convince the hardcore anti-union people of that.
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