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Old 04-24-2009, 04:58 PM
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A MINORITY VIEW
BY WALTER WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, APRIL 22, 2009

Parting Company

Texas Gov. Rick Perry rattled cages when he suggested that Texans might at some point become so disgusted with Washington's gross violation of the U.S. Constitution that they would want to secede from the union. Political hustlers, their media allies and others, who have little understanding, are calling his remarks treasonous. Let's look at it.
When New York delegates met on July 26, 1788, their ratification document read, "That the Powers of Government may be resumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness; that every Power, Jurisdiction and right which is not by the said Constitution clearly delegated to the Congress of the United States, or the departments of the government thereof, remains to the People of the several States, or to their respective State Governments to whom they may have granted the same."
On May 29, 1790, the Rhode Island delegates made a similar claim in their ratification document. "That the powers of government may be resumed by the people, whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness: That the rights of the States respectively to nominate and appoint all State Officers, and every other power, jurisdiction and right, which is not by the said constitution clearly delegated to the Congress of the United States or to the departments of government thereof, remain to the people of the several states, or their respective State Governments to whom they may have granted the same."
On June 26, 1788, Virginia's elected delegates met to ratify the Constitution. In their ratification document, they said, "The People of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will."
As demonstrated by the ratification documents of New York, Rhode Island and Virginia, they made it explicit that if the federal government perverted the delegated rights, they had the right to resume those rights. In fact, when the Union was being formed, where the states created the federal government, every state thought they had a right to secede otherwise there would not have been a Union.
Perry is right when he says that there is no reason for Texas to secede. There are indeed intermediate actions short of secession that states can take. Thomas Jefferson said, "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." That suggests that one response to federal encroachment is for state governments to declare federal laws that have no constitutional authority null and void and refuse to enforce them.
While the U.S. Constitution does not provide a specific provision for nullification, the case for nullification is found in the nature of compacts and agreements. Our Constitution represents a compact between the states and the federal government. As with any compact, one party does not have a monopoly over its interpretation, nor can one party change it without the consent of the other. Additionally, no one has a moral obligation to obey unconstitutional laws. That's not to say there is not a compelling case for obedience of unconstitutional laws. That compelling case is the brute force of the federal government to coerce obedience, possibly going as far as using its military might to lay waste to a disobedient state and its peoples.
Finally, here's my secession question for you. Some Americans accept and have respect for the Tenth Amendment, which reads, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Other Americans, the majority I fear, say to hell with the Tenth Amendment limits on the federal government. Which is a more peaceful solution: one group of Americans seeking to impose their vision on others or simply parting company?
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2009 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:09 PM
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry rattled cages when he suggested that Texans might at some point become so disgusted with Washington's gross violation of the U.S. Constitution that they would want to secede from the union.
Yea. That'll happen.
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry rattled cages when he suggested that Texans might at some point become so disgusted with Washington's gross violation of the U.S. Constitution that they would want to secede from the union.
Yea. That'll happen.
Montana has also threatned to secede...but really in modern day times....I doubt it!
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:01 AM
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The problem with many is the don't know what's under the ground and all they see is the plant above it.

As a Christian nation (it's roots) divorce is a poison to the foundation of the plant.

Get along or die. Harsh words I know, but you people are old enough to not need any sugar on the pill. The "getting along" typically involves some un-civil times to determine who gets to tell who how things are going to be in this relationship. Hopefully an outside source doesn't move in in the mean time to do a little looting but these days many of us brag about looting so i wouldn't hold out much hope we wont be.

If Texas does and succeeds I wonder what future dictator will move into the mansion. All hail the King of Texas!
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:33 AM
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry rattled cages when he suggested that Texans might at some point become so disgusted with Washington's gross violation of the U.S. Constitution that they would want to secede from the union.
Yea. That'll happen.
Montana has also threatned to secede...but really in modern day times....I doubt it!
The tipping point has been reached. It's not so much who will secede, it's which states will affirm their rights over the federal government. We now have a handfull of states doing just that. Texas, Montana, Oklahoma, New Hamshire and/or Vermont. This is how it's suppose to work. When Washington quits working for the people and the states, it's our job to force the change.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:39 AM
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First it was Montana, now Texas and other states beginning to discuss the same issue. At some point, enough states and their reps in the Senate and House will get together and start voting as a block of unified Americans, not Democrats or Republicans. When that happens, we'll see a 3rd party emerge with a lot of clout. At the rate this is going, the midterm elections ought to be fascinating.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:16 PM
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At some point, enough states and their reps in the Senate and House will get together and start voting as a block of unified Americans, not Democrats or Republicans.
Don't stand on one leg waiting for that to happen. There is no end in sight for the gridlock which has become the order of the day in Washington.


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Texas Gov. Rick Perry rattled cages when he suggested that Texans might at some point become so disgusted with Washington's gross violation of the U.S. Constitution that they would want to secede from the union.
Yea. That'll happen.
All he suggested was that some Texans might become sufficiently disgusted with the Federal Government that they might want to secede. I'm quite certain that many Texans already feel that way. So, why the rolled eyes? He never said he believed that it was an appropriate avenue or that he thought it should ever happen...
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At some point, enough states and their reps in the Senate and House will get together and start voting as a block of unified Americans, not Democrats or Republicans.
Don't stand on one leg waiting for that to happen. There is no end in sight for the gridlock which has become the order of the day in Washington.
I will have to agree. My reasoning is, America does not have the collective stones to do it. In a time past, it would be more possible. But we have to face it, Americans are a collective shade of yellow.
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