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Old 11-01-2007, 04:46 PM
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I'm not sure if the guy is electable although it is something I'd like to see. I don't understand how some on here can call him a fruitcake...as compared to what??? What the rest of the choices are??? What we have now?? That is laughable. If anything would keep him from getting elected (other than some of his "supporters" who may indeed be a little "out there") it's his adherence to strict interpretation of the constitution and his predisposition to speak his mind no matter who may be offended.

Either way, it seems pretty difficult for anyone to gain enough support unless they "play ball" with one of the two idiot parties and of course, therefore, are also part of the current problem[:'(]
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:39 PM
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but he comes across are a stark raving lunatic...
I guess you wouldn't of supported our founders then...
Which one did you have in mind? The ones I can think of were never president.
Did you even take history in school?
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:14 PM
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Now that is one funny / sad comparison. If Ron Paul had been alive and it had been up to him, we would have never founded this country. He is an isolationist. He is a " we owe this world nothing, and we don't need anybody " type of leader ; which in and of it self would not be so bad if it even had one shread of fact or believability to it.

The man has no backbone, and he comes off as nothing but a whiner... I promise we would be in an all out Nuclear war if he were president, within 6 months, just because of how bad his voice would grate on other world leaders and irritate the hell out of them as he does me.

A few of his ideas might have a basis for foundation, but the problem is that he cannot effectively communicate those ideas to the general public. His general stump is to draw within our borders , and hope the world leaves us alone. If we don't bother them , then they will not bother us. BUT , with the U.S.A. being the greatest superpower on the face of the earth, and having been founded on the tenants of freedon, and having been blessed richly by our creator, we have a duty to help those who cannot help themselves. Our forefathers fought for freedom ..... and not just for ourselves, but for anyone who wished to embrace the idea.

R.P. is not electable, in any way, to the P.O.T.U.S. -- and I will be glad when this whiney , jellyfish, tattletale of a man quits taking up valuable oxygen at the debates.


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Old 11-02-2007, 06:01 AM
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but he comes across are a stark raving lunatic...
I guess you wouldn't of supported our founders then...
when fighting against a foreign govt like england, sure i'd support them... but for a guy trying to change a system from within, well.... ron paul's not the guy... to much compromise needs to be made... now, if we were talking about revolutionaries... different story...
So you want to comprimise liberties for security are you saying? Your saying that Iraqis should fight against and kill Americans for invading their country illegal? I don't understand what you are saying here? You say that you support invasion of another country but don't support others invading ours?
no no no... you're putting words in my mouth....

I didn't say anything about invading other countries... I was talking about revolutionaries, overthrowing your existing govt, like we did in 1776 against a foreign govt (england if you remember correctly)... in that respect i think ron paul might work better as a leader because you're talking about wholesale change in governing policy and gutting the existing power structure forcibly and re-forming a new govt... however, the compromises that need to be made to accomplish anything in our existing political climate would keep him from getting anything done... i don't think his platform can stand any compromise to be successful and the ability to compromise is exactly what you have to have in order to get your prinicples enacted...
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:03 AM
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He dont fit the bill of a Republican. I think he has no chance.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:55 AM
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He dont fit the bill of a Republican. I think he has no chance.
He's more of a Republican than frontrunner Giuliani...

From the limited amount that I've seen of Paul, the only issue where he's not "conservative" is with regard to certain foreign policy matters (i.e. Iraq). Really, if you think about it, compared to pre-Bush I candidates, I'd say that Paul is a Libertarian, most of the Republicans are Democrats, and all of the Democrats are Socialists. It's really disturbing how far left everything has moved, and it's sucking our country down the toilet...
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:23 AM
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He dont fit the bill of a Republican. I think he has no chance.
He's more of a Republican than frontrunner Giuliani...

From the limited amount that I've seen of Paul, the only issue where he's not "conservative" is with regard to certain foreign policy matters (i.e. Iraq). Really, if you think about it, compared to pre-Bush I candidates, I'd say that Paul is a Libertarian, most of the Republicans are Democrats, and all of the Democrats are Socialists. It's really disturbing how far left everything has moved, and it's sucking our country down the toilet...

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Old 11-02-2007, 11:55 AM
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It's really disturbing how far left everything has moved, and it's sucking our country down the toilet...
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:20 PM
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First of all, we are not talking about what would have happened if Ron Paul were alive at the time of the Revolution, but since you mention itsomeone with his beliefswould have been a prominent figure.I don't see why people keep labeling him an isolationist. I don't see what there is to gain by acting ignorant, as this is completely false. He is no more "isolationist" than our founders. If you think Ron Paul wants the U.S. to keep to itself, read up on George Washington. It is best to trade, travel, engage in diplomacy and be friendly with all nations in times of peace, but not become unnecessarily entangled in alliances, wars abroad, policing the world, or nation building. We should stay on our own soil, why go anywhere else? We have enough of our own problems to deal with, and if we can protect our borders (which we are failing at miserably) then the strongest nation on earth will not have much trouble dealing with foreign extremists. Our greatest enemies come from within.

I don't see how you can say the man has no backbone. He certainly has a lot of nerve running as a GOP candidate and speaking the truth whether or not people want to hear it. And I don't see how standing up for the Constitution makes one a whiner. What is going on in America is a disgrace. American values are being trampled on by the government, and the government has assumed powers that are not within its jurisdiction.

As far as bringing our military within our borders, we absolutely should. America was never intended to be the superpower that polices the world and gets involved where it should not. The cost of maintaing a military presence all around the world is insane. That money could be better spent on thingsHERE where we need it. Unless we are attacked or Congress otherwise sees fit, troops should remain on our land and our coasts.

"we have a duty to help those who cannot help themselves. Our forefathers fought for freedom ..... and not just for ourselves, but for anyone who wished to embrace the idea."

Funny the founders would disagree with this.We as citizens have a duty toour fellow citizens, ourConstitution and America (notice I don't say duty to our government), and our government has a duty to provide for the common defense,regulatecommerce and international relations, provide infrastructure, and above all recognize and protect the rights and civil liberties of the people. We have no obligation to help other nations militarily. The best way to spread liberty and republican government is through example, not force, as our founders believed.

RPis a traditional republican, and the most conservative of the candidates running for the GOP nomination.


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Old 11-02-2007, 01:33 PM
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He is no more "isolationist" than our founders.
Frankly, I think that same mentality was one of the weakest parts of our early federal policies. Our nation was still pretty young when people realized that isolationism is wishful thinking at best, hence the Monroe Doctrine et al.

Either we maintain an international presence diplomatically, militarily, and economically, or we fall by the wayside. As other nations develop beyond us, our choices will be more and more limited. Now is the time to get our heads out of the sand and realize that America has grown to big to fit in one country anymore. We need to keep it that way.
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