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Old 04-27-2007, 05:10 PM
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http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/OPINION04/704250310/-1/OPINIONArticle

Is there really any question of who we are up against here? The anti-gun crowd tries to say that they only want "moderate gun control," or restrictions on "assault weapons." Some say that the original subject of the Second Amendment is "outdated."We mustn'tbe mistaken. The anti-gun lobby has one goal. I'm sure you can guess.

People say that nothing could ever go wrong here. Tyrrany and corruption are things of the past, we are in new times, right? Major wars are over, government corruption can't happen here, history is going to stop repeating itself. We are safe now, there is nothing to worry about, it is just fine and dandy to give up our rights.My grandfathers and uncles didn'tgo to warso that we could sit on our @$$es and let everything that hundreds of thousands of Americans have bled and died for just turn into dust and slip through our fingertips without a peepprotest. What would our founding fathers think, or all of the soldiers who are gone now think if the American people lost their freedoms because they were too preoccupied with the trifles of pop-culture to give a damn?

Really, as a society we need to wake up and smell the coffee. People are soincredibly naive. The same people who say that there is no need for the Second Amendment too often promote such things as our friend Dan Simpson hasfrom theabove link. Would you like to be run by a police state? Have sections of cities roped off and searches conducted by a modern day equivalent of SS troopers checking every building and searching every person to remove their arms guaranteed to them by an original Constitutional amendment? Is that what we want? Is that what this country stands for? That is what will happen if socialist leftists like our friend Mr. Simpson had their way.


In reply to them I must ask, how has the Second Amendment lost its integrity? How is the defense of freedom by the people such an "outdated" and impossible concept in a time when people are so naive and indifferent when it comes to government and their freedoms. When more people care about what is going on in Hollywood than the status of their own government and their rights and freedoms, we should start to worry. When surveys find that only 51% of the young Americans who will be running this country still believe in the First Amendment, are we in any position to think that our rights and freedoms are untouchable? Just the simple fact that an original Constitutional amendment is being threatened, the fact that the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights is being questioned and denounced should be a waking call. Does the following logic make any sense: "We should take away your right to keep and bear arms because you don't have to worry about the government taking away your rights anymore." I say don't fight to take away my rights as guaranteed by the Constitution because corruption and loss of freedoms are "things of the past."

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Old 04-29-2007, 10:04 AM
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Part of the problem is most people are sadly unable to think critically about much of anything beyond trash "reality" shows about who is getting kicked off what island, gonna be the next singing star, etc. Our first amendment is our insurance that government corruption will eventually get exposed to daylight and hopefully remdied. Our 2nd amendment right is about maintaining pure freedom and defending it when necessary. Most people don't want to take responsibility and secure these rights and freedoms for themselves and prefer to let others (i.e. some government agency) do it for them. It's sad but our culture and national intelligence is steadily getting dumbed down.
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Old 04-29-2007, 12:10 PM
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I just can't for the life of me understand why people think that their freedoms are unimportant, or why people don't understand why or how they have their freedoms, or why people take freedom for granted. I mean, I understand why, but it is extremely frustrating. I enjoy my freedom, and I can't help but be angry with people who will readily relinquish their freedoms as well as mine. I am fascinated by history. Perhaps that is part of why I enjoy to hunt, why I enjoy being outdoors, why I own longbows and muzzleloaders, why I enjoy listening to people of previous generations talk about the past, why I have an army green steel pot on my dresser,why I listen to music made 50 years before my time and read historic literature, and why I care. I have learned about what happens when people become indifferent, when people lose their freedoms. There are so many examples from the past that we can learn from, some of the best being in just the past few decades. Some examples can be seen even in the present time. Some democratic nations, perhaps even our own, are showing some of the signs, social indifference, ignorance, naivete, political corruption, uninformed and misled populaces, bigger government, laws, police presence. Is theprospect of history repeating itself so hard to fathom? Is the noose being tightened? We all have a good idea of what is going on in the U.K. What happens when a democratic nation becomes more socialist? When does a socialist system become corrupt, begin to resemble fascism or communism? What do we know about the National Socialist party, or the United Socialist Soviet Republic? What does the proposal of Mr. Simpson sound like? How many people are like-minded in this country? Here is a scenario. Present day. HR1022 has been proposed, the U.N. is pushing for a global gun ban, Australia, Canada and the U.K.are well on their way to achieving this goal. It seems that alarge part of the American population would like the same here. Large metropolitan areas areprimarily liberal,a largeproportionof these tend to be against gun-ownership. The Democrats control congress, with a large amount of them being for gun-control. Let's say that in 2008 an anti-gun candidate is elected into presidential office. Lets assume that the "assault weapons" ban is pushed while presidential office is controlled by an anti-gun Democrat (or Republican for that matter), and congress is controlled by an anti-gun majority. Congress passes HR1022, the president recognizes it as an official bill. Ok, so now we have a permanent "assault weapons" ban restricting many of our own guns. Now lets say some time goes by, and then the aquisition process becomes more difficult. Mandatory 3 day waiting period, limits to guns purchased within a time period, at the same time, or owned, gun registration, flawed background checks, storage requirements, large unnecessary fees, any number and combination of these and other things. Perhaps there is a .50 caliber ban. Perhaps a "sniper rifle" ban as has been proposed. Perhaps more calibers are to follow. Maybe all semi-automatic handguns. Maybe all "non sporting" long guns. Semi automatic and pump action shotguns?Maybe all hand guns. All semi automatic rifles. All centerfire ammunition. Perhaps eventually all guns. Perhaps weresemble the U.K. as it is today or worse. There is a mandatory turn-in period. Now all the while, law enforcement is gaining more power overthe people. The country has become more socialist than ever, the government reserves a tremendous amount of power. Now, as Mr. Simpson has proposed, there are extensive searches of entire areas, homes and people by specialized task forcesin order toacquire all firearms. TheSecond Amendment is long goneas we know it, the rug pulled out from under our feet. It has been crossed offof the Constitution, denounced as "outdated" in this modern time of "progress." There are extensive fines, jail time and other penalties for exercising a former right. The populace is now totally reliant on the government and law enforcement, as well as oppressed by it. And the vast majority of the people, being ignorant and misguided, will have noprotest.The Constitutionis becoming a conditional document, able to bechanged with enough votes, enough political clout. Religion becomes censored (hey, we are seeing it already). The Eighth? Gone. Excessive bail, fines and punishments are commonplace now. The ice was broken when II left us and gun ownership was punished with huge fines and prison terms. The Fourth Amendment? Ha. Long gone, as suggested by the extensive searches and siezure of firearms. Pretty soon everyone will be monitored and random searches will be conducted without warrants.Lets say that is eventually next to go after VIII.The government is exercising increasingly more control over the media. Freedom of the press is crossed off of I. Now lets say the right to petition the government becomes more difficult to exercise. The government need not be so easily questioned and scrutinized. Assembly? Perhaps the NRA is listed as a domestic terrorist organization, standing for firearm ownership. Others to follow. Heavily guarded, eventually gone. Free speech? People who spoke out about firearm restrictions had been censored. Perhaps people who speak out against common opinion are shunned,not represented, eventually censored. Amendment I has all but vanished. Old V is on its way out also as more unreasonable siezure of property and penalties without due law processes become more common. VI is infringed upon as well as courts become unreasonable, unjust, the accused has less or no say in defense as seen in thetrial and consideration of gun-related crimes (which include ownership), and of course there is the issue of an impartial jury. Brainwashed jury comprised of brainwashed citizens, perhaps afearful jury? In fact, all of the original amendments are unrecognized. The Constitution is just a historical document of a less "civilized" time. The U.S. is well on its way to dictatorship. Is it really so hard to fathom? The Constitution is the only thing that stands in its way, and we aren't being very trueto it lately, are we?
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Old 04-29-2007, 12:21 PM
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"Part of the problem is most people are sadly unable to think critically about much of anything beyond trash "reality" shows about who is getting kicked off what island, gonna be the next singing star, etc."

Bingo. Tens of millions of folksof all ages sit mesmerized at their TVs as trailer trash Susieclutches her hubby's hand and waits with baited breath to find out who the father of her baby is. i gotta puke.
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Old 04-29-2007, 07:49 PM
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Welcome to the wonderful world of communism. Just what hundreds of thousands of Americans have died to prevent.
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Old 04-30-2007, 06:37 AM
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The scariest part is that he isn't alone, and he certainly doesn't understand what role guns play in our contemporary society. Our Founders realized the dangers of power long ago and gave us the means to prevent goobermint from getting too big for it's britches.
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Old 04-30-2007, 06:54 AM
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This guy is more than just anti-gun. He's an absolute nut case.Random searches of entire neighborhoods? This turkey is just as far out extreme as any ultra right-wing skinhead.

He wants to trash more than just the second amendment part of the Constitution.

It's an informative comment on America's liberal media that they would so happily publish his neo-nazi fantasies.
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:22 AM
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I'd say there is no question here. This man is a bloomin' idiot.
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:41 AM
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We live in a Democracy where every man and woman get to vote. THey don't have to be educated, they don't have to be smart, they don't have to have spent one second carefully thinking through issues. The general ability of our people to think and analyze issues has dropped substantially during my lifetime. I'm not going to debate the causes, but I personally think the blame lies with individuals -- not with parents, not with schools, not with the media. It lies with individuals who have been too lazy to think and question the blithe and simplified sound-bite projection of reality that the news media dishes out. In this context Democracy is a bad form of government. I'm not going to advocate a different form of government, but among the six forms of government Aristotle analyzed classically, Democracy did not rank very high up the scale -- only the worst form of tyranny and exploitative oligarchy were worse forms of government. I refer you to his "Politics" for further details.

The general run of people have no idea what they have or what they stand to lose or what the dynamics are among our different branches of government. I'm not claiming to be any expert, but I am at least smart enough to know that GIVING UP A RIGHT is about as brain dead as it gets. This is like giving away half of my 401K, giving away half of my savings account, giving away half of my checking account -- without any knowledge of who it is going to or why or to what purpose. Giving up MY RIGHTS. Under what idiotic construction does this make sense?

The best hope is for each of us to take people shooting, talk to people about firearms and their use in self-defense, to teach. Also, join the NRA. We don't need to talk among ourselves about this, that just amounts to "preaching to the choir." Also, if there was some way to puncture those liberal windbags and let the air out of their futility it would be nice, but maybe that is too much to hope for. I found that guy's supercilious dismissal of hunting as "blowing away animals" typical. Isn't that the heart of liberalism, to dwell on superficial features of things and not address classical structure and architecture of problems, life, government, society?
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Old 04-30-2007, 09:06 AM
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Alsatian has it right.

Also, if you ain't a member of the NRA, you ain't really on board.
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