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Old 12-02-2002, 11:23 AM
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Drug testing in the public schools, would it be a good thing or a bad thing.

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INVASION OF PRIVACY!!! This country already is way to far into eveyones business. I'm very much against drugs, but I believe there are better ways to do things than treat people like criminals. We need to teach and give reasons why drugs are bad.
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Old 12-02-2002, 11:59 AM
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Ahhh,

I am assuming this is in reference to what they are going to be doing in Philadelphia.....

totally against it.

More legislation of this type is to force high school kids to undergo tests for STD's.
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Old 12-02-2002, 12:42 PM
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bad thing - schools are to teach children the things parents cannot - like advanced math, english, history etc. Drug testing ? What would that prove other than that the parents are failing at home ? Besides, about half the people here like the idea of legalized drugs anyway ..... <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
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They have been doing that since I was in 4th grade (1975.) It doesn't work.

1. Minors do not have a right to privacy.
2. No one, regardless of age has the right to posses or use an illegal substance. DUH!

Drug tests should be manditory and frequent for students with academic or attendance problems and random for the general school population. It is difficult to get a good job without passing a wiz quiz, why not for kids? We are supposed to prepare them for the workplace, what better way?

I think we should test welfare recipients also...no pass--no money.

It amazes me that some want to take a hard line on criminal use of guns, and illegal immigration, but not illegal substance use (abuse).

How compassionately conservative of us...

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Old 12-02-2002, 01:19 PM
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Drug testing the general school population? No. Testing sports players? Sure! That way no one would be forced to be tested. If you want to play ball, don't do drugs and take a test to prove it. Drug using jocks don't need to be playing high school sports.

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Tx,

That does not address the problem.

When these athletes get to college or the pros, they are not allowed to use drugs and are tested. They may lose their jobs because of drugs or certain performance enhancing drugs...BUT when the kid gets a minor injury, the trainers and team doctors shoot him up with cortizone or other pain reducing, performance enhancing drugs just so he can get back into the game...

Are we not being at least a little hypocritical here???

If drugs are illegal, then no one should be &quot;allowed&quot; to use them and everyone should be tested...Or make them legal, because we all have a &quot;right&quot; to use or not.

I have yet to see anyone make a convincing argument on this point here or otherwise. Everyone I have ever spoken with has said something to the effect of &quot;we should test these people, but not these other people over here...&quot;

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Old 12-02-2002, 02:15 PM
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Ok Blues, I'll bite. As much as I'm against government intrusion into our lives, I'll submit myself and my family to a drug test. I have nothing to hide. I know what will come next, people will then ask me if I want the feds checking my guns out in my house. No I don't even though I have nothing to hide. However, the reason I don't want the feds in my house is because I don't trust them. So much for black and white huh?lol

Blues, as for your scenerio about the coaches and trainers pumping them up with medicine, I don't think that is a double standard at all. If you are sick or hurt, you take medicine, not illegal drugs. If you kill someone because you hate them it is murder. If you kill someone because they broke in your house, you are using your right to self defense. You can't take all medicine and classify it with illegal drugs.

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I have recieved the responses I thought. My only problem with the testing thing is what do you do when they test positive, kick them out of school. Or what do you do when the parents approve of drug use. This is a lose, lose situation that will cost money we dont have. I agree if you are a member of a special organization (extracurricular) and have something to lose then there is a ground to stand on, but as a whole, we will only verify what teachers and principle already know. It is not illegal to have traces of a substance in your system as long as you are not intoxicated or have it in possession. We would spend money we dont have testing a bunch of kids for no reason other than to prove what is known. Tests with out consequences is ludicrous, and if we are going to kick kids out of school for testing positive for a controled substance we will be teaching school to a limited population.

The whole Big Brother thing also bothers me.

Another point; I have been subject to drug tests for more than 12 years. I ran track in college and the NCAA tested us often, I now have a commercial drivers license and am subject to tests. I dont appreciate someone setting in a chair just inches away from where the action takes place telling me when to stop. If I did that in a public bathroom I would go to jail, but im forced to subject my self to this at any given moment. I have been tempted to let a little spew out of the side and give them a specimen they will enjoy the rest of the day. I dont mind giving them the specimen, I just dont like the fact that Im treated like a criminal and have my right of privacy violated by some stranger watching me do a private act. If this school thing passes I guess the next step is to go door to door and test all Americans. Serves the same purpose.



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Old 12-02-2002, 02:53 PM
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Personally, I don't care one way or the other on legalization. However, I think that we a hypocrites big time when it comes to this subject.

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Blues, as for your scenerio about the coaches and trainers pumping them up with medicine, I don't think that is a double standard at all. If you are sick or hurt, you take medicine, not illegal drugs.
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No. Athletes are prohibited from using pain reducing medicines other than over the counter stuff or stuff prescribed by team doctors. Athletes are also prohibited from using &quot;performance enhancing&quot; substances such as creatine or 'speed,' both of which are available over the counter.

However, when the kid stubs his toe or gets some other minor injury that without injections of pain killer he could not play or if he could play, would not play well--the team shoots the affected area with pain killer and says, &quot;get back out there!&quot; It is a double standard because on one hand you are saying don't do drugs to enhance performance, and on the other hand say 'here take this and go play because we need to win.'

There are many athletes who get hooked on pain killers because they were first prescribed to them so they could play week in and week out.

Athletes are treated like commodities by teams...

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