Firearms Laws Flushed?
 

I just heard today on the Canadian radio station that there were going to be some major changes in Canada's firearms laws, and that the gun owners of Canada would be VERY happy with the changes. I am unable to find any details, and wondered if any of Canadian citizens heard anything more. The radio station didnt go in to great detail, but stated that the gun registration for us "nonresidents" probably wouldnt change much, but the Canadian gun owners would feel a relaxing grip. Any input?

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I have heard nothing yet.I would like to believe it but I have learned not to expect anything good from the liberals.

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Yeah, Martin said the program is going to be reviwed but he still believes in a registration program. Doesn't really sound like they are going to do anything serious about it.
Big surprise that he does this now with an election coming. Nice timing.
Too little too late if you ask me.
Just trying to weasel a few more votes.

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I work on a gun counter here in the great white north. we deal with this Liberal crap all day. Yesterday, I recieved a fax from the firearms center. On this, it stated that we, as a buisiness can no longer possess anything unregistered.(Consignment guns) which we were able to before under a special clause in that damn bill. We would have to register everything before it left the store, but we could still have it. Now, get this. according to this letter, any firearm that is unregistered, can no longer be registered by us, for any reason. BUT, (this is where it gets good) if we have the consent of the owner, we can register any non-registered firearms, and continue as normal! The drawback, is if any owner wants to pick up his gun, we have to register it, even though we can no longer register, blah blah blah. Confused yet? Now the catch-22. If the owner refuses to register the guns, we are instructed to "return the firearm to the owner disabled in which it is no longer defined as a firearm." anotherwords destroy the firearms before the owner gets it. I cant see that making many gunowners happy with this more relaxed grip. And unfortunatlly, I don't see an end in the future. The Liberals made a mistake. They won't admit it. And by disbanding, or even lossening up on the bill would admit a mistake. This ones to big to cover up. Take care.

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I heard some Liberal MP yesterday talking about this on NW or CBC. His name is Paul something Stecle? Doesn't sound quite right. Anyway he was talking about how useless the registery is, and how it should be eliminated. He felt we should concentrate our efforts elsewhere. No kidding he was talking about agressive enforcement of safe storage. You know police searches, he mentioned that Sportsmen would be happy to rat out their friends if we knew they didn't safely store. This guy is presumably the untimate back bencher, I haven't ever heard of him before. But it does raise the question of even if they do destroy the registry, what will they then saddle us with. The registry is finaly implemented, people have taken the courses, registered their firearms, or gotten rid of their collections. Maybe the least harm is to let it all lie. Maybe not given the fact that many haven't registered, and may still need relief.

The Canadian system is to overlap gun intitatives one on top of the other, never resting, so how do the gun grabers extend their reach now, what is their next step?


While safe storage is a rational enough idea, it is also the most damaging legislation passed in the last 30 years for gun users (thank conservatives). It essentialy reduces the legitimate uses of a fiream to zerro, more enforcement shouldn't be something we look forward to. It isn't the registry that makes it illegal for you to have a loaded gun in case intruders or foxes make a visit... Once we reduce firearms legitimate uses to sport, there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be product managed, and there are lots of "unsafe" products that are banned in Canada at ministerial will.

Right at the moment we have one of the biggest victories the gun lobby has ever posted: Most now see the registry as a failure. That's massive, our opponents are worried. It's also a dangerous time.

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Well said

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All I know is the this gun law is no good for any of us hunters, if they continue to put more restrictions on us as the years go bye we are going to have to become criminals ourselves. I was talking to someone in politics and their long term plan according to what he's heard is they want to have a big storage facility for peoples guns and that you would have to notify them like a week in advance if you want your gun now thats insane if its true but Iwould not be surprised if it was proposed. Anyways if something ridiculous happens my guns we be declared stolen and I wil continue hunting and so should all gun owners one big declaration of stolen guns, let them deal with all us new criminals. I always voted liberal not this time, I will vote for someone else. Good luck

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The price has gone up ,,,I payed $10.00 for 5 years at one time years ago. This is never going away, all gun owners are Criminals just the goverment has not done the paper work on ya yet. I can tell stories that would make a died man turn in his grave about this Gun issue , but won't say anything on the net because of the sake of the Gun owners and hunters. There's more going on then anyone knows...BT

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i saw in a Edmonton news paper that alberta wants out of all of this bs b/c guns are a part of their past, now i say being from manitoba now liveing in alberta (the hunting better) give it to them it will turn our heads in the right way, right, we need to start some place

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It's all propiganda ! they just keep lookning for way's to get thier hand's in your pocket .Just remember the jerk that started all this crap ALAN ROCK ALAN ROCK ALAN ROCK he sure jumped ship in a hurry when it started going down hill then he went on to make big messes everywhere he went .Are any of you's surprised NO I didn't think So . I believe there should be some sort of rules but they have no idea what 's in front Everything changes depending on who your talking to . junk it !Billion dollars worth of junk and now they got NO money for hospital's RIGHT that's what I thought This Bill took alot of smart people to think this up.

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Of course I am sure in the last few days you've all heard about the lack of freedom to vote for the MP's on certain issues....yeap you guessed it one of the liberals babies is included "Gun Reg". They may look at ways to curtail spending on the CFC but make no mistake about it is not going anywhere.

Martin is not wanting to lose any supporters which included the anti-gun folk, he will throw money at our healthcare (meager and not enough), he'll offer a rebate of the GST to Municipalities (meager and not enough), he look at buying new equipment for the military(again look at and what is apporved you guessed it meager and not enough), keep on with the great social programs (to much already) and of course will not eliminate the GST or cut personal income taxes. The ball of wax is election year and Mr. Martin will try to not rock the boat either way to secure his spot on the top of the hill. Like all those who came before him he is a "LIBERAL" and as such we can look forward no good things to come from our pathetic government. Even the public opinion polls on the gun reg say he should scrap it and investigate the usefulness of the floundered money...but like any other question of power or how funds are spent with a liberal you'll see nothing but tap dancing, rug sweeping and move on. Other leaders or political groups pay for their inability to make the right choice or accountability but not the flippin' Liberals, why b/c to many head up their arse canadians who live inside a bubble and think the true meaning of deomcracy is medicare, gay marriages and social programs. We can also thank the media for the aweful favoritism of the liberals, they have a responsibility to report the news but can still edit what we are really told. No such thing a responsible journalism in Canada, the views are very skewed to the libs favor. For god sake Mr. Chretien made an a$$ of himself on several occasions and while they reported it they always down played it as well...at the expensive of how stupid we look for voting in such a loser to the rest of the world.

Damn straight we're all in for more up the hoop if the Liberal Machine keeps rolling on!

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Yet again were are in a money brew ha-ha and the liberals are at the heart. Oh big suprise it is deflected and covered off by a fuming PM who has requested an inquiry. Oh and even more of a suprise it will be dealt with like all the other crap...scapegoat (s), more PR and up goes the rug:(.

God I really hope this one at least hurts the liberals. Hopefully it is enough for those to say we need a change, if only to stir the dust to bring back accountability and just a bit of honesty by changing leadership. It has happened in the past so here's hoping the winds are blowing a change:eek:

Absolutely pathetic[:'(]

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What is so frustrating is that people seem to vote what their parents did in years past. They can't seem to think for themselves or vote the current issues. Right now, anything that makes the Liberals look as bad as they are makes me feel better anyway. Its small satisfaction but its a start.

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So now it's 2 billion, that is about what the National Post had it at. However some of the costs are hidden at other agencies, so the real cost could be higher still.

One thing to keep in mind, when you are just thinking about the money wasting part of this: There are databases elsewhere. The gun registry is unique in being basicaly just a registry, but other programs and departments have probably hundreds of mismanaged data bases. The securities regulators have wasted an equivalent amount of money in the same way. Not the same amount, because there are only 20-30 000 employees to register, but tens if not hundreds, of millions on data bases they don't understand, and on the creation of new system, after new system. Every government agency involved in the same kind of work has probably squandered similar amounts of money. They blew a ton trying to add security features to the Ontario health card.

As time goes forward, the big risk is they will scrap the registry and give us a totaly new series of rules, that will sound rational to non-gun owners, like everyone should be happy.