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They have put a ban on already. This is not good news for anyone.

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I've heard that Canada is supporting them a little , and I hope they do so, we don't need anymore uproars with the US. It happened and we need to stand behind them and help them over this, not spite them...BT

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Otis; sorry to disagree. The US kicked the crap out of our beef industry this year to the degree of $1.6 billion dollars. We presently do not yet have an open border for Canadian beef because they don't believe that the threat from Canada is over. It would be unfair to our beef industry if we did not shut down the border to US cows until we are sure that no threat to the Canadian beef industry exists from American mad cow disease.

Dan O.

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Not like I know anything about beef, but the reports are that as an integrated beef industry, this isn't a whole lot better for us than if it happened here.

I think the industry and regulators have let consumers down terribly. This is a predictible outcome of the feeding policies on both sides of the border. Basicaly we have been lied to about the standards in the NA industry. We carried on the exact same policies the UK discovered were disasterous in the 80s. Meanwhile, who knew that the US policy was even worse than the Canadian, all the while they were baning our beef. Not to mention that the "canadian" farmer who had BSE in Alberta, was an american. I'm all for kicking the industry in the acorns if that's what it takes to put consumers first, Grade "A" my a$$. This is an industry that eats it's own waste, then feeds it to us.

Meanwhile these same geniuses are telling us that GM foods are totaly safe.

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That border closer of Canadian Beef had noughting to do with the war fellas, That was decision made from the US that was from an ongoing deal with beef back 10 years ago. Japan had a problems right into the US with beef back then and the Canadian Goverment stopped all US and Japan's beef from entering the country for a time period. As sad as it was , it boils right back to our lovely Goverment for the closer of Canadian Beef crossing in the summer. The ranchers in the west know this and this is why they have spooked out and asked not to stop beef, just try to get it cleaned up...BT

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And of course we don't know yet, but to add to the interest, it may be a canadian cow...

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Everything bad that happens is blamed on Canada. It was 9/11, then jobs lost from cheap timber, the power failure, loss of the american film industry, now Mad cow. In reality these were all made in the US. We had better loose our inferiority complex quickly. If shutting down cattle/beef exports from the US protects our industry, shut it down until their cattle prove clean.

Dan O.

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[:@] Oh yeah they are already trying to blame Canada....[:@]...does the USA not take the blame for anything anymore....why is it always someone elses fault??? [:o] If the cow came from Canada...too bad....obviously they do not perform proper tests on livestock entering the US....just like they blamed us for the alleged terrorists that entered the US from Canada....duh...the US let them in didn't they???[:o] Don't get me wrong guys i'm not putting down the US just pointing out the facts....when i'm wrong or screw up I take the blame....just my own personal .02 cents worth!!!!!!!!! ;) Brampton Mike [8D]

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It doesn't matter where the cow came from! what matters is how and when this cow got sick. Could it have gotten sick in the US? or was it infected in Can, before being shipped to the US? Unfortunatly no one knows these answers. a lot of work will have to be done to root out the problems if they ever do find the cause. In the mean time its best not to throw rocks, as they could bounce back and hit you in the head.

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Big Guy; you're right. They need to put a lid on all cattle movement to prevent spread and eliminate the disease. It's just interesting how Canada gets the finger pointed at us when the US isn't 100% certain that it was a Canadian cow or where it picked up the disease. The Canadian Mad cow last spring had a good possibility of being shipped from the US but we didn't point fingers.

Dan O.

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[:@]Heys guys, couldn't help but notice most of you are from out east. Granted most of you, and the rest of the country would be outraged if Canada does not fire back at the U.S, yet some people want to roll over and wait for whatever to happen. They just don't care. I live in southern Alberta, and the farmers and ranchers aren't the only ones hit hard. My town is totally agricultural based, and even though I work in the retail end of things, (Hunting gear) everybody got nailed. The farmers didn't make money, so their not spending money. When we heard that the Canadian border, for the most part will remain open to U.S beef, we were outraged. This is simply another case of western Canada being overlooked by the Liberal dictatorship. Landowners out east donated feed and other supplies to local area farmers. For that, I will say thank you. It was much appreciated. But at the same time, the Govt. in their good will decided to give these guys next to nothing for compensation, while still maintaining the gun registry is a worthy and noble cause. Please remember this when the next election rolls around.

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Hey Pharaoh2 . I do live in the east. I live in Bruce county , beef capital of Ontario. The beef farmers around here are hurting so are the impliment dealers etc, etc. The farm community is the bread and butter of this area. When they hurt we all hurt. Just thought you'd like to know we are all in the same boat, so we had better start rowing together if we want to get out of this mess.

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pharaoh2; I don't remember saying that our government should sit back and do nothing. I agrre that we need to take all steps necessary to protect the Canadian beef industry.

My neighbour in Bruce county sent 10 cattle to market last September. He got $2000 total and it cost $400 to ship the cattle. This guy keeps about 250 head, so you can work out the math how well he did this year.

Dan O.

PS; I was one of the 96% who voted to create a new political party.

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I usually try and keep my nose out of politics but Dan O, I have to agree with you 100%.....I’m happy to see some of you are telling it the way it is. Heaven for bid if we would have any Canadians hurt anyone feelings.÷

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pharaoh2,
What kind of hunting gear are you into ? just wondered as I'm in the hunting end aswell...BT

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So we have two threads here: One is the US should take responsibility for their mess, the other is it's all the Liberal government's fault. If you're from Alberta it's always someone else's fault. Sure hope this cow turns out not to be Alberta Origin, because farmers, etc... all over Alberta and Canada are just as affected. But if the industry doesn't own the problem it won't go away. Farmers are far too passive about their low standards (ask the people of Walkerton). It's all "the family farm" meanwhile they are a major industry that polutes, and is hardly touched for it. Every farmer is touched by this stuff, and should be driving the high standards, but that isn't what happened here. The industry was realy late doing anything about it their feed practices. Nobody owes Alberta a living, and there is no right to participate in the US market unless they are selling a safe product. Canadian industry is the most export dependant of the G7, moreso even than Japan. That's always a risky situation.

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Ossage; The west has a lot more reason to be upset about eastern decisions than Quebec does. Between oil regulations and the wheat board they keep getting unsavory laws shoved down their throats.

Mad cow was started from feeding cattle sheep that had scrapies. The same disease has been shown to cause similar diseases in humans and other animals. Our present laws still allow the use of diseased cattle and sheep in pet and chicken feed. It's too easy to unintentionally get feed mixed up and end up spreading this disease.

My worry is not even the feed aspect it's that elk and deer picked up CWD from scrapie infected feed lots. These animals got a disease similar to mad cow without eating contaminated animal parts. It is only supposed to take a fraction of a gram of prions to pass on the disease. Now that the genie is out of the bottle with deer and elk, how can cattle feeding in the same areas be protected?

A person that I worked with died of CJD last year. It took him a month to deteriorate. The family was forced to have him cremated as this is the only way to eliminate risk of the disease. The government blamed a trip that he had made to Europe as the cause of his disease but that's an easy way to say our system is safe.

Dan O.

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[:o]Sorry guys, I didn't mean to cause a such a stink. I never considered eastern agriculture. We simply don't hear about it here. Adrian, we sell all forms of gear. Your big name firearms, (Remington, Browning, Tikka, Sako, Savage, Weatherby, Ruger, Etc.) Outdoor clothing (North Face, Columbia) All big name Fishing stuff. Wholesale Sports would be the people who sign my paychecks. Again, I apoligize for offending anyone. But sometimes it's just good to vent! Go Alliance!

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Some more agricultural Ontario facts. Huron county just south of Bruce has more agicultural out put in dollars than all of PEI.

Ps. I love dealing with Wholesale Sports.

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pharioh2; In the east you've got to sell it as the conservative party if you want to have a chance of winning. Maybe it's alliance in the west but that's too extreme in the east.

Dan O.

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Thanx for the support guys