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I'm almost afraid to say it out loud but there just seems to be so much criticism coming from the liberal media about the Liberal campaign and the constant gaffs and scandals that it's starting to look like those crooks and liars might get kicked out. Let's hope Ralph Klein doesn't step in at the last minute again and scare the hell out of the rest of Canada. ( Albertans don't need to flame me I think the guy does alot right but what he did last time likely sank the ship at the last minute ).

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I wouldn’t count them out yet. Martin might still have a trump card in his hands to sway the voters...

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Oh trust me I agree. I still have not bought my champagne or fireworks for election night.

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As you say this is what it was like last time. But I do think there is a possibility the Cs will come through this time, as you say. This reminds me of when Ray won in Ontario, a lot of Ontarians parked a protest vote with the NDP, not expecting they would ever form a government. Majortity government! I don't know if a Conservative majority is technically possible... If not the best we get is a Conservative NDP governement, or with the bloc. Kinda brings back memories of the famously corrupt Mulroney government (actually corrupt, who knows). They brought the bloc onto the national stage. Yummy, can't wait for more of that.

One of my favourite moments early in this election was when Harper tried to smear Martin over the stronach defection, when he brought that piece of dead wood onto the national scene, while the conservatives broguht all the block! Amazing.

So far the Liberal campaign looks incompetant, they must have known the election was coming, just one more thing to prove they are a spent force.

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Here's hoping in Alberta. About the Ralph comment, Ithink Ralph is great ina lot of ways but he's not a political type speaker, he usually just says what we are all thinking.... remember the not to distant past with "Shoot, Shovel and Shut Up." We were all thinking it but.... gotta find the ducktape for the final stretch.

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I must admit upfront I'm not in touch with the politics up north, In fact I didn't even know you guys had an election coming up until tonight. I was watching Fox News and they had a blurb at the bottom of the screen sayingyour Conservative Party had a commanding lead in an early poll. I can't remember the exactspread but it was like 7 or8 points???

If the Conservatives do indeed win, what can one expect to happen in regards to hunting and fishing?

Thanks....John

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Hey John,

Who knows what will happen if the conservatives get in but the government we have know would love to get rid of all the fishing and hunting because guns are dangerous and fish hooks are sharp, plus fish have feelings too. If the conservatives get in maybe common sense will prevail and hunting and fishing will just be two of the areas that benefit.

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SSSHHHHH...........it wasn't Ralf but the conservatives own declaration that they may win a majority gov that sank them last time.

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Oh ya, even with Ralf, the election was lost in Ontario.

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Any guesses which way each province will vote?

That's what's fun about the states, some you canfeel good about, some you don't know till the votes are counted. The only difference is we have 50 to watch.

John

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The Liberals are starting their standard smear & fear campaign (as Ossage did above). Try to stir fear from the past, even if it was 20 years ago. It helps people to forget about the corrupt present government. They had to wait until a week or so before the election so the stupid voters wouldn't have time to come to their senses and see reality before they vote.

It shows liberal mentality when Martin says Harper is scary because he has Christian values.

Dan O.

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Just received this email. I believe the credibility of the source along with the message says a great deal.


Start forwarded Message...

The Liberals versus Firearms Owners
My name is Len Grinnell and I reside in British Columbia. I have been a
shooting competitor since age 14, initially taught and coached by World War
II veterans. Throughout a 39 year career in the Royal Canadian Mounted
Police, I continued to compete both Nationally and Internationally. I
belong to two Rod and Gun Clubs, as well as being a member of Canada's
National Rifle Association and a Provincial Rifle Association, of which I am
a Life Member. My years of policing showed me that offences with firearms
are rarely, if ever, committed by dedicated, law-abiding gun owners, however
recent developments in the upcoming election have given me cause to write to
those with an interest in shooting sports and gun owners in general.

Recently, our Prime Minister announced his party's desire to ban handguns,
undoubtedly to appease those naive voters who would believe that doing so
would end the gun violence in the streets of our major cities. It is
unfathomable to associate law-abiding handgun owners and their registered
firearms to those senseless criminal acts. This violence has to be laid at
the feet of those responsible; the punks who use stolen or smuggled handguns
to fuel gang egos and strengthen their position in ongoing drug wars, as
well as a justice system that fails to recognize what just about every other
citizen of this country does; that minimal sentences for gun crimes does not
work! What will the Liberal Party do next to stay in power? They have been
in power for 12 years and these problems did not develop overnight. Now, on
the eve of an election, they make promises intended only to keep them in
power by offering impossible solutions and diverting blame wherever
possible.

We have heard more than one member of the Liberal Party state that, "Guns
should only be in the hands of the military and the police". We have
listened to the continued hysterics from the government funded Coalition for
Gun Control. We have seen and endured the Firearms Registry and those who
have complied with the law are faced with a proposal to ban their handguns.
We have Alan Rock appointed as Canada's Ambassador to the United Nations,
who touts the Firearms Registry as the instrument to end gun violence in the
world. In the eyes of the Liberals, all firearms are suspect and our
ownership of all firearms, not just handguns, is in jeopardy.

My question to the shooting enthusiasts, gun owners, and hunters of this
country is; "How can the Liberal Party be trusted?". There are no property
rights in our Constitution, and because of this, lawfully owned and safely
stored firearms can be confiscated at government whim, and without
compensation! No firearms owner is safe from what has to be an immoral act,
even if that affront can be made to appear just or in the interest of
"public safety".

In the upcoming Federal Election, I will be voting for my Conservative
Representative, whose party has promised to end the financial farce that is
the Firearms Registry and bring proper sentencing for those criminals
committing firearms offences. I see no other choice, as the N.D.P. and even
the Bloc Quebecois have sided with the Liberals as far as "gun control"
goes. I urge you, the law-abiding gun owner and sportsman, to consider what
has happened, what has been proposed, and cast your vote accordingly.

I am sending this email to my friends and associates, shooter and
non-shooter alike, with the hope that they will take the time to read this
and forward it to their friends for consideration. I believe that together
we can make a difference and bring common sense and justice back into our
system of government.



Respectfully,



Len Grinnell

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Just noticed this message was already posted under separate cover... Apologies for the duplication...

Cheers,

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I too hope dear Ralph keeps his mouth shut until it's over. My fear is another minority government, probably a Conservative one lasting six month's the minority is toppled ( by a non-confidence vote in parliment)followed by another election followed by 10-12 more years of liberal crooks back in power.

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Dear mustad,

Amen to all you said, I've been a small town guy my whole life and it's tough to live with decisions made in the big city of toronto by people who wouldn't know what end the bullet comes from. My dad is a retired RCMP and he can't believe the stupidity of this either he knows it will do nothing to curb crime. One must think that even the liberals deep down really don't believe that the hanggun ban will help in any way. Look at what the registry has done, crime is higher then ever. But hey it only cost a couple billiong of our tax dollars. Here's hoping and praying for a majority! :D

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Tony Valeri just got caught flipping a house after 3 months to a Liberal supporter and pocketing a quarter of a million dollars profit. Damn these Liberals are good businessmen.

Dan O.

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I've been holding off on commenting because it really seems too good to be true. I can't wait to burn my registration cards! + I get to scrape the ugly little sticker off my model 24 that didn't have a serial #. If we win a majority (fingers crossed) I'll probably even use my restricted lisence to buy a handgun (don't need one but anything to piss off Allen Rock).

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I live in Judy Sgrotums riding for the past 19 yrs and I have not seen as many blue lawn signs as there is this time round...... HOLDING my breath !!!!

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i live in quebec and i don't know why the people keep voting for the BLOC ,they have won 5 terms in quebec ,GILLES DUCEPPE is sitting in the drivers seat on a bus ..only problem they took the wheel's off his bus ,and he still has not noticed it ..[WHAT A WASTE OF HARD EARNED MONEY]as for the liberals "non merci" ..CONSERVATIVES WHAT ELSE

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I don't get it either Heinz, but chalked it up to just not understanding how it works here. It may be me, but it seems to me that you should either not be part of canada or be part of canada. I realize there is a tremendous amount of history here that I don't understand yet, but it just seems like Quebec is throwing their votes away by voting for the bloc.

BTW, I thought I heard in the last English debate Harper saying he also endorses the elimination of hand guns. Did I hear correctly?

Cheers

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No he is against the banning of handgun bill tabled. I attended a political meeting which featured all party colours last week. Being in Sask. most are opposed to what the liberals have done and recently tabled with regards to rec. firearms, gun control was a popular topic. The Conservatives favor a national registery for handguns (like there has been for 40 plus years in canada) but do not agree with the long gun registery. They said if they won a majority they would return the gun control (lack of better term) to pre 95. Meaning an FAC type permit to purchase firearms, etc but no official registery for long guns (scrape the cash cow we know today!!). The handgun registery would continue as is.

BTW they are the only party that take this approach. NDP, Liberal, Green, etc all favor gun control as we know it today for long gunsand as well the handgun ban as proposed by Martin's crew. I am not sure about the BLOC's stance on this issue though.

For sportsman the only option to not lose ground is HARPER. Don't kind yourself Rock said it 95' and the Liberals are slowly getting to that point..."No canadian needs a gun!!". The NDP are very close to the liberals in policy and Layton has publicly stated handguns serve no purpose in citzens hands.


I hope they can hold onto the trend and to grow, getting the seats required for a majority. A minority will notwork for Harper as PM, the conservatives are to far from the kings mate in this race (Layton's NDP). The Bloc well to radical as we have found out in the past 18 months for anyone to jump in bed with!!!

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yes u heard right ..to me handgun's are toy's ,they can get rid of all of them .don't forget i hunt big game ,and have no use for them..my personel opinion ..

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heinz, Harper/conservatives is not for banning handguns. He is for keeping a record/regulations of those owning handguns for recreational use but as I stated that has been policy in Canada for many years with regards to handguns.

I don't own any handguns currently nor do I see the need to ever own one again. However I am opposed to the banning because what is next???? If you look at what the Liberals set in motion in 1995 it is a bit scary to a big game hunter like ourselves what might be in store for the future? The track record is registery and confiscation! The fact is their resolve to strip canadians of firearms is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to a spring of violent crimes. Studies point togun controldoes nothing to demote crime. Look at Australia? They imposed a similar handgun ban and program. Their gun related crime is actually up 40% since this was put in place. It just goes to show that responsible gun owners are not the ones to target here to get results?? This is just my opinion but such bans only further aid criminal activity, they create a profitable blackmarketbusiness, not to mention why would a criminal care if they broke another law. REALLY???? Fact is if you want a gun to commit a crime it can be had..lawis invisible to such individuals. The other thing many police chiefs/commanders are on record for saying they don't use the national registery as information before entering a premise/situation. They feel it is incomplete for one (ie: long guns 7 million are registered to date but in the 90's the census for such guns was pegged at 16 million in canada), so not a true representation. Police also know the overwhelming majority of gun owners aren't the ones to use the collection for crime. If the police don't believe such policies will help in reducing crime than why should any citzen? Just think if the liberals would have put that 1-2 billion into hiring more officers!!! It would be interesting to see if we would be in the same situation?

Harper has been staying away from these hot button issues that got him in trouble 18 months ago, letting Martin and crew put the foot in their own mouths instead. It appears to be working!

I know most are one his side, but as gun owners we must unite with all gun owners. There loss can ultimately impact us! Banning of hand guns will not solve the problems we face today, we all know that. So what will be the next course? More bannings? Already face reloading regs, been talk about semi auto and pump CF's/shotguns being tossed...What is next?

Get out and vote monday, make sure anybody who shares your passion for the outdoors thinks about what road we may be on if it continues!We have anreal opportunity to change this thing around in more areas than just gun control!

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Hi guys I'm from quebec and there is no way I'm voting liberal,we are all voting conservative we have had enough! I know alot of liberal voters who have changed there minds, after all the BS that liberals have given them> They have lost alot of votes over here, thank god.
Elmer

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u are 100% right ..we are all voting conservative we have had enough

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the only source of unregistered long firearms in Canada is not from criminals. I don't think that the first nations have to register any of their firearms. That may sound like a small technicality but it isn't if you're located near a reserve.

I hate unequal laws. If it's OK for one group in Canada then it should be legal for the rest. Getting rid of the long gun registry would only put people back on an equal footing in that regard.

Dan O.

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Great to hear you guys from Quebec voting for the Conservatives and pro "Canada". I must say I was beginning to think everyone in Quebecwas either Bloc or Liberal but awesome to hear that's not the case.:D

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vote for the bloc never ..they are not going anywhere...i don't know why they are there ..[ oh yes i just got a "flash" it's the lifetime pension }

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Got this little tid bit on email.Not new information for most but timely with Monday a coming. Pass on the message to all your outdoor/gun pals, family, anyone really. Both the media and liberals/NDP are FUDing the crap with high noon fast approaching. As many have seen the polls indicate apprehension of a Conservative Majority/mandate. Once again it appears to be working and we all know what another minority government will mean!!!

>>> We didn't make this up
>>>
>>> Canada's two billion dollar gun registry employs 1,800 bureaucrats, who
>>> spend their days tracking down duck hunters and farmers.
>>>
>>> By comparison, Canada hired only 130 additional customs officers to
>>> protect our borders after Sept.11.
>>>
>>> Here are a few more eye-rolling facts about the gun registry, mostly
>>> unearthed by MP Garry Breitkreuz from Saskatchewan.
>>>
>>> Internal audits show that government bureaucrats have a 71% error rate
>>> in licensing gun owners and a 91% error rate in registering the guns
>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> The government admits it registered 718,414 guns without serial numbers.
>>> That means either the bureaucrats forgot to write them down, or the guns
>>> didn't have serial numbers in the first place. That's as useless as
>>> registering a vehicle simply as "a blue Ford Explorer."
>>>
>>> To these gun owners, the government has sent little stickers with
>>> made-up "serial numbers" on them, that gun owners are supposed to stick
>>> on their guns. And everybody at the gun registry is praying that
>>> criminals who steal those guns won't peel off the stickers.
>>>
>>> Some 222,911 guns were registered with the same make and serial number
>>> as other guns. That's not just useless -- it's dangerous..If someone
>>> else with a "Blue Ford Explorer" is involved in a hit and run, you'll
>>> be
>>> the one getting a knock on the door by the RCMP.
>>>
>>> Out of 4,114,624 gun registration certificates, 3,235,647 had blank or
>>> missing entries -- but the bureaucrats issued them anyways.
>>>
>>> In the beginning, the government's firearms licenses had photographs on
>>> them - just like driver's licenses do. But after hundreds of gun owners
>>> were sent licenses with someone else's photo on them, the government
>>> decided to scrap photos on the licenses altogether, rather than fix the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Private details about every gun owner in the country are put on one
>>> computer database, called CPIC. That's valuable information to a peeping
>>> tom -- or a criminal. The CPIC computer has been breached 221 times
>>> since the mid-1990s, according to the RCMP.
>>>
>>> In August of 2002, the gun registry sent a letter to Hulbert Orser,
>>> demanding he register his guns, and warning him that it's a crime not
>>> to.Orser died in 1981.
>>>
>>> Garth Rizzuto is not dead, but he's getting older -- he applied for a
>>> gun license 2 1/2 years ago.He hasn't been rejected. They're still
>>> "processing" his application.
>>>
>>> Some 304,375 people were allowed to register guns even though they
>>> didn't have a license permitting them to own a gun.
>>>
>>> On March 1 of 2002, bureaucrats registered Richard Buckley's soldering
>>> "gun" - that's right, a heat "gun" used for welding tin and lead. No
>>> word yet on Buckley's staple guns or glue guns.
>>>
>>> Some 15,381 gun owners were licensed with no indication of having taken
>>> the gun safety courses -- one of the main arguments for licensing.
>>>
>>> Despite the billion-dollar taxpayer subsidy, gun-owners must still pay
>>> $279 for the required licenses, registration, photo ID and other costs
>>> to register a single gun. That's as much as a gun costs in the first
>>> place. It's a tax -- a tax on rural Canada.
>>>
>>> The government spent $29 million on advertising for the gun registry --
>>> including $4.5 million to Group-Action, the Liberal ad firm now under
>>> RCMP investigation.
>>>
>>> But all of these follies are trivial compared to the central,
>>> unanswerable flaw in the gun registry: Since only law-abiding gun owners
>>> will register their guns, how can the registry stop criminals?
>>>
>>> If you think this is information all Canadians should have, forward it,
>>> ask your political representatives about these facts. You don't have to
>>> be a gun owner to have concerns on the questionable actions taken and
>>> situation we are in.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a better way?
>>>

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Nailed it on the head Dan O. BTW the numbers I quoted about firearms in canada (census done in the 90's), been told this excluded natives! Your 100% right though and sure wish all of canada would look at the real truths of this matter. Maybe then they would realize guns don't commit crime!!!!!

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Only a couple of days left and we will see what happens...

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279 bucks to register a gun? I;ve enver paid a dime with all the amnesties, I guess we will see what changes in a minority Conservative governement. A majority Conservative and we are laughing.

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279 bucks to register a gun ? are you sure, i thought it was $25, or is it free now . AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH what a pain these corrupt liberals have been to uslaw-abiding hunters/shooters.
registery, stickers,PAL, FAC's etc... i think Canadians deserve better than this! we need a party for gun-owners buy gun-owners. look at the Bloc, and marijuana parties, theyre formed by peolpe that all support the same thingwheater its the legalization of marijuana or seperation from Canada.
so if this party i have just made up really existed i belive it would get about 10 seats. it would be enough to make the voices of the sportsmen/women heard by all Canadians. I am not old enough to vote yet but i still make my voice heard to all campaining polititions that care to stop by and talk, very few do.just latly a representitive for the Liberal party (cough cough liber-NAZI's) phoned to advertise for the party . as it turned out it was a freakin recording!!!!!! lke i said im not eligable to vote but i will never vote for a party that imposes restrictions on my personal hobbies , then adds insult to injury buy playing a recoding on the phone. I belive that the liber-NAZI's are done for this election. theyve screwed too many peolpe over in the last 12 years. I remember seeing somthing about "legetimate target shooters"being exemt from the handgun ban that Martin imposes, whatever that means, the only people that own handguns legally are target shooters or collecters. the propsed handgun ban would not effect anybody then! so wtf are the liberals trying to do ? to everybody that reads this vote conservative, the lesser of 3 evils. or possably marxixst-lennist,at least you know what their agenda on firearms is.

P.S to all you americans on people from other nations not afflicted by gun-control, NEVER i mean NEVER give into registration because registration leads to confiscation !