RE: SANDBAGGING OUT OF CONTROLE
 

I shot in the Hunter Class and the gentleman that won it was in the group with me and shot very well. I can see both sides of the argument and have no clue on a solution. On a positive note though, if I shoot against better shooter's I will become a better shooter and hopefully win against them one day. It is hard to regulate talent instead of equipment, which can be checked. As you said, with the money aspect of it as in all sports, people will take advantage of the rules to give themselves an edge to win.

RE: SANDBAGGING OUT OF CONTROLE
 

Gentlemen,
Sandbagging has been around as long as I can remember and I have been shooting for 48 years. Making rules to eliminate sandbagging is a wast of time. The guy that wants to try to use a system to win usually will have no real skills and will never gain anything for very long. When it comes to shooting for money let the majority of the shooter take care of any problems that may come up. To often we have a few people who with all good intentions trying to get rules which primarily help their cause. If the money winners are using a system to win believe me it won't be long till you hear from the real shooters and the people that are truely being affected. To say that a person is sandbagging is to imply that he is cheating. If this is the case lets prove it and get rid of the individual. We don't need any more rules or classes just to satisify a few people.

RE: SANDBAGGING OUT OF CONTROLE
 

Steve,
I am impressed with your opinions about the way we ran the shoot.
In speaking with you no names were given,by you. Our office is closed on wekends. We got back today. I am doing a comparison to see if your allegations have any merit.
I also putting another classes and rules to the IBO. They are not the same. The guidelines for them are not the same.

IBO rules preclude a semi-pro shooter from dropping back to an amateur class within a shoot calendar year to an amateur class.
Pro class rules preclude a shooter from dropping back to a semi-pro or amateur class during an IBO shoot calendar year.

Classes other than amateur can change classes at their leisure.

In the hunter classes a shooter that wins two national level events, the national championship or the world championship is required to move from the hunter classes.

I am looking to see if any of the above guidelines(rules) have been violated.

I have reviewed the information from Wetumpka and am not seeing the class jumping, that you refer to.
It would help if you forward the names to me so that we can check them.
Please e-mail the info to [email protected].
We await your information.
ken watkins,
IBO

RE: SANDBAGGING OUT OF CONTROLE
 

So what is being said here is that IBO classes are judged by what equipment you shoot and not your skill or experience level or even the amount of money that you have previously won. So...let's say that one shot MBO last year (2003) and won some money or maybe even one triple crown event then in 2004 that person could shoot the hunter class if they use the apropiate equipment and choose to do so. Is this fair to the "IBO newbie" in HC for the first big shoot of their life?

RE: SANDBAGGING OUT OF CONTROLE
 

ONE THING YOU COULD DO WOULD BE TO HAVE THE CLASS OF THE SHOOTER PRINTED ON A CARD THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW WHEN YOU SIGN UP, (FOR A QUALIFIER OR MAJOR EVENT, NOT A LOCAL) THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A PERSON CHANGING CLASSES. IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER SPORTS LIKE MOTOCROSS, BMX AND SOME OTHERS, (JUST LIKE THE IBO) ONCE YOU WIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EVENTS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO MOVE UP TO THE NEXT HIGHER CLASS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? IF YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN A COUPLE EVENTS IN ONE CLASS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME IN THE FUTURE IN THE NEW CLASS, LIKE HOYTSHOOTER1977 SAID, SHOOTING AGAINST A BETER SHOOTER CAN ONLY MAKE YOU A BETTER SHOOTER. YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE A COUPLE LICKINGS, BUT GRIN AND BARE IT, IT'LL BE OK IN THE LONG RUN! LATER.

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I sat back ad 2 times, before i decided to reply, so her eit goes.I have many sponorships, and for 3 years in ASA i shot open class.Because of the way ASA is run, which is buddy buddy sytem, and who ya know, and by's to the world classic, I wish to shoot and have fun.Whcih means i went to my other bow and set it up as my hunting bow is, same bow just a custom bow painted.And who says you cant have sponorships , shooting hunting equipement, isnt that what started all the 3 d stuff anyways?
I say lets have fun, shoot and set good examples for the young kids and women gettting into what was once a all men sport.Lets enjoy and bring the family into the sport.I am asked all the time how does one get pro staff spots.I reply with " Are you having fun now?" If they answer yes I say well keep doing that, shooting and having fun.Pro staff spots are very hard to get , but when ya get them its alot of work and time you have to give.It's like a second job, and the ones that whine and cry, because they are losing to those guys, are just , the lucky ones, those guys ahve put alot of time and deication into the archery sport.
So lets all have fun and enjoy the shoots.And On a ending note I'd also like to say to the Bennett Team, yall did a fine job.good luck this year with your shooting.Was kinda concerned as to why I didnt see more PSE, and Archery Research bows , this past weekend.I will work on that, anyone wanna see a great bow, and see how it shoots look me up in rome ga.

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georgia, what this all stems from is the availability of money in the southern triple crown and the need to have the team members in different classes. not all teams are taking advantage of this, and had it not been for the addition of the money this topic would not have come up, but, there is money involved and people will use whatever angle they can to achieve the goal, and that is to get paid to shoot.

there is no way for the ibo to guage a shooters ability, off season injury, failing eyesight, change of heart, realization of competition etc....so the rules are put in place to attempt to cover all angles. we all know what rules are really for, no not breaking, changing. as long as there are humans involved there will be disparity. we have the ability as humans reason and think. that one day will be our downfall....greed and competition will fail us as well. until you see someone on tv shooting for millions of dollars will a real system be put in place to control money and people.

i would love to see the pro shooters shooting down for hundreds of thousands of dollars, because they have put in the time to become that good. the amatures have an achievable goal to move up, naturally the money. without the money from corperate sponsors, the sport will never get to that point, so people will compete for whatever money is out there.

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I must be missing something here or I am not familiar with the format of the Southern Triple Crown. It is my understanding that HC does not compete for money. Now it sounds like HC can shoot on a team and win money. Sounds simple to me, HC sould not be included in the mix of the team competition if it involves paybacks and that would solve the problem. It would also stay consistent with IBO policy. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

RE: SANDBAGGING OUT OF CONTROLE
 

This was my first IBO tournament and I shot in the HC in Alabama. I've been shooting in ASA events for about 6 years. I started out in the Open "B" in ASA and after a couple of years and not shooting in that event well, I moved back to open "C". I'm 55 years old and my eyesight won't let me shoot 45-50 yard targets even with a scope. I shot pretty crappy on Sat. & decent on Sun. I am sponsored and I am on a few Pro-Staffs. Since I have shot in open classes in ASA, and now HC in IBO, am I sand bagging. NO, I'm shooting to 1st, have fun, second, promote the equipment I'm shooting, 3rd win some money if at all possible. Quit griping and start shooting.

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I am sure it gives you more advanced shooters great satisfaction to change your equip. and drop back and kick the snot out of a bunch of true hunters, not really diehard 3-d guys but hunters who want to give 3-d a try. If this makes you happy then so be it. I am not picking on the guys with the physical limitations who can't shoot the longer yardages anymore. There is a local hoyt dealer who has a group of shooters that always shoot the long stakes at any local weekend shoot in the area but when it comes to qualifiers or money shoots they will be shooting HC or open C, etc. These guys are not bad shooters but their wanting to WIN something drives them into the lower classes where their chance of winning is higher.