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Start the shoot on Thursday and have the extra day day to use for inclement weather. If all went well on Thursday and Friday why not start the shoot offs at noon on Saturday if weather permitted. I' m sure that the shooters would rather start at high noon rather than 8 o' clock.

Set the ranges lower on the mountain away from the fog. Use the area around the lake better and make the Senior Ranges easier to traverse.

Set more ranges so that if there needed to be a weather delay there could still be enough daylight to get the shooting done. Set a MBO and HC stake on some of the lesser used ranges if more ranges are not feasable.

Reserve the Golf Course for Sunday shoot offs. There is plenty of room down there and the weather is certainly more predictable. There would only need to be a couple of ranges set. Use multiple stakes like we do at local shoots. The golf course would be available again by noon??

Have Snow Shoe buy into this!! Who makes the most money?
Reduce the extra nights stay to make the 4 nights affordable. As I see it Snow Shoe still would have the same amount of people stay and spend the same amount of money.

As far as moving the shoot entireley well.......... I don' t think that there will ever be a place as convenient as Snow Shoe. WE MUST BE BETTER PREPARED!!!
PLAN FOR THE WEATHER CONDITIONS TO CHANGE AND IT WILL WORK!

DON' T PLAN AND SNOW SHOE WILL HISTORY!!

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Some Ideas to Stew on... Move the shoot down the mountain and still hold the Best of the Best, Eagle Eye, FBH, Practice Bails, and McKenzie Shoot Out on top of the mountain (Skidder Slope). OK then have snowshoe (if they want to keep this shoot they should respond willingly) HAVE MORE BUSES! to shuttle every one down the Mountain to the ranges. And since moving the ranges down the mountain will help. You can move the Defense Ranges on top to create a little more room for the ranges. Snowshoe has plenty of room down the mountain for the ranges to hold this shoot. Then last but not totally least important, HAVE MORE RANGES!!! If you have more ranges then if there is a problem that delays the shoot then you will have flexibility to set up a 1:00 pm start and still finish. I am not as pissed as some of the folks on here because I suck at these shoots but I like 90% of the others who never make it to Sunday do like to come up there and fling arrows. I also like to get my moneys worth!!! I was mostly dissapointed in the unpreparedness of the IBO officials...

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They could put 35 yards and under shooters on the higher ranges and give us the earlier start times. That would help with fog issues.

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Has anyone checked out the increase for a nights stay at Snowshoe for next year. Seems that they are sticking it to us in that way to. Maybe we all need to stay home next year to get our point across.

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dont care how much they raise it, i' m going bear hunting next august and skipping the yearly ibo screwing.

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Before this gets out of hand, I already talked to the person at Snowshoe who is in charge of Marketing and the one I work with about the rumor of a room rate increase because we DO have an agreement that there will be NO increase and she told me that there is NO INCREASE.
If anyone was told that the SAME accomodations that you stayed at this year would be increased you were told the wrong information. Please feel free to call me with this problem. If you upgraded to a different (say larger) condo, you may see a increase for the upgrade, but not the same condo you stayed in.
Again, call me if you have been told this.
Judy

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Judy4,

I hope you guys made it through the weekend alright. It a shame that things got so ugly. Hang in there not everyone is against you.

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Bill,
Thanks for the kind words, my heart is kinda broken right now.
Judy

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This was my second year at Snowshoe, and likely my last. Tried to camp last year and spent half my time trying to park somewhere on the mountain. This time split a room with a couple friends and ended up sleeping in the back of the van in the parking lot the first night because the room was so stuffy.

I did enjoy many aspects of the experience. The personnel were all friendly and very pleasant. The food was good, if a little pricy. Really enjoyed meeting and shooting with people from other parts.

But two hard hours of twisty roads from the nearest interstate, and terrain that was unfriendly to the point of injuring several people, plus notoriously bad weather and course terrain that made the weather so critical, just all combine to make me more likely to do something else next year at that time.

I can' t fault the " red alert" call, but there was some confusion that shouldn' t have occurred regarding the information going out that everything would be under a one-hour delay, then finding that some courses weren' t. I expect that sort of thing is something that the officials can evaluate and improve, but the slopes will still be just as steep and slick, the fog just as thick, and the summer weather just as tricky next year. And the rooms will be just as stuffy, with no way to move air through many of them. I reckon I can find something else to do next year that weekend.

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some of the suggestions that have come up on here have already been discussed and will be considerd more this weekend there will be a meeting with Snowshoe in about a month. As far as the golf course it could happen there, Monday the top was great the bottom at 8:00 was not, if red alert is called and the sun is shining on the bottom it would still be stopped. Red alert does not mean lightning has been seen it is the conditions are right for it to happen and when it does sometimes it comes in so fast that if you wait it is to late to do anything. Saturday there was no lightning seen during the day but there were high readings of static electricity, by afternoon it cleared and it was decided to let the kids events go on but to late to start any ranges because people would be on them in the dark. No one wants to put that much time and work into a shoot like that just to stop, no one person makes that decision and no matter what comes of this the IBO board and the people of Snowshoe will do what is best for the safety of the shooters first because it is easier to deal with the ridicule and abuse then knowing someone was hurt because you should have done something but did not.

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Judy,

Sorry to disagree with you about an increase in lodging but some of my buddies stayed at Stemwinder 1 unit 6 and they were told that there will be an increase of $120 for the same unit next year. They already reserved it.

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Judy,

Don’t be broken hearted over something you don’t have control over. I hope everyone truly understands the hard work and dedication it takes to put on an event such as this. I appreciate the efforts of the all who do their best to make this an enjoyable time for all. I didn’t get to play on Sunday, but I had a wonderful time. God willing I’ll be there next year.

Thanks, Mike

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Hi Judy,
We stay at the Highland House and we too already booked our same place for next year and were told that the increases will be for every place on Snowshoe Mountain next year. What should we do now? Thanks for any suggestions.:)

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Judy

I was also told there would be a rate increase for next year so I didn' t book it yet pending on how much the increase was she told me she didn' t know the amount but it was going to go up.

Sorry not good enough for me I want to know the amount before I commit myself I know I could cancel and get a refund but I still wanted an amount now if I wait it will go up anyways so either way I get hit higher

Top of the World room 328
p.s my room did at least have fans in the closet to use this year. last year we didn' t and brought our own so a friend used ours this year because there room didn' t have any.

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Granted dopler radar displayed a bad front, but it was narrow.

A bit more patience and the weather cleared up by 1:p.m., and that too was evident on dopler.

By the way, if the weather was so bad, why did all other functions continue?

Could have accomplished a 4 hour delay and shot 10 more on Saturday afternoon, final 10 on sunday.

Hopefully there will be a plan " B" next year. If snowshoe increases their rates they can shove it. ASA has a better plan./

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I just booked my next years stay at Allegheny Springs and they[:-] were exactly the same as what I paid this year. FYI.

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Do not know about the rates, but the courses never change. People are falling on the good days and breaking equipment and body parts. It has been a problem at Snowshoe since day one. The Unpredictable weather on the mountain compounds the problem. I suspect there are a lot of folks that would like to participate that can' t because of the course' s. New York and Flat Woods were more shooter friendly. If SnowShoe can' t do better in designing better course' s it' s time to go elsewhere. The weather can not be controled, but boy scouts could come up with better coures considering how much land they have. Hanging by a rope and falling in mud is not fun. This is a world Bowhunting Championship, not an endurance test.

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Another thing the IBO could look at is shortening the courses so it doesn' t take most of the day to shoot 20 shots. The scenery is beautiful but why walk all that way between shots? I have shot the IBO worlds 3 times and the weather is always a factor down there. Walking unnecessary distances just increases the odds of falling. Make the courses challenging but not something only a triathalete can cover. My 1st time down to SnowShoe I shot in the trophy round and finished 6th with a MISS! As I watched the awards on Sunday I couldn' t help notice that all 5 people on the stage were built like mountain goats, tall, lanky, look like they could walk home if they had to, was this an advantage in terrain like we shot in? You bet it was! Another thing I am getting sick of hearing about on here is the family atmosphere thing. This is the world championship of the IBO and should be held at a location condusive to holding a great shoot, not based on what little Billy and the little woman are going to be doing. If that is the case, then just move it to Disney World and get it over with!!

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Judy.. I think you guys are doing an awesome Job Snow shoe is excellent our family had a Great time. I booked forAllegehny next year at a 5% I really don' t care increase or not we will be there!

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Judy we also had a great time at Snowshoe as a FAMILY! :):) We shoot as a FAMILY. (except for the wife)We appreciate all time you and the IBO has put in to all the shoots.!

We like the rough terrain it makes it more of a challenge . Shooting at the up and down hill angles and walking them .I wouldn' t have it any other way. Just my 2 cents. Have a great day. :D

Steve Carey

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How about the IBO getting a hold of Lake Placid NY and having it there? They had great outdoor games, olympics, ironman plenty of events. A proven location.:D

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I like the terrain at Snowshoe, and I happen to be tall, lanky and used to the rough conditions, It sounds like some other people would rather have the shoot in an nice smooth mowed open field. And the family atmosphere is very important because alot of people have to bring their families along for the trip.....Not that they are worried about little Billy or what the " little Lady" is doing but it does help that there are things for them to do.

By saying that a tall person has an advantage at snowshoe, I guess the kids would have an advantage at Disney Land!
There is no way the IBO can please everyone, I was just as dissapointed in what happened on Saturday as anyone else, So was my husband. But its time to Get Over it already.
All this complaining is not going to make them redo the 2003 World Championships.

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Something to be considered is starting the shooters with a Shotgun Start, half of the people start at say 8:00AM and the remainder of the shooters start at 1:30. Everyone is assigned a targert and they go to their target by what ever means available after an assembly briefing. At a given time or a signal such as an aerial bomb every one starts to shoot. Everyone will finish at the same time and in case of a delay everyone knows where they must go for a restart. This will work and I' ll give you a slight example to ponder. There were 20 courses at Snowshoe with 20 targets each which equals 400 targets. If you put 4 shooter to each target that will equal 1600 shooters and with a schedule in the morning and one in the afternoon you can accomadate 3200 shooters, that is more than the number of shooters participating this year. I have worked this out and I' m sure that it can be done. It has been done at many other shoots and This can be done at the World.
I' m sure that there will be the same negative comments from the same people but the numbers don' t lie and the logistics are very possible with out to many problems. It will give you much more flexibility in the event of bad weather. This suggestion is offered as a suggestion and I' m sure that it can be done.

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The courses would have to be set up very differently from the way the courses I shot were (L&M). It would be too much to ask shooters to walk clear to #10, then walk clear back up to #1. Then walk all the way to the end again. Then get back up to the top. Seems way too time consuming, as well as tiring. The weather and treacherous trails aside, as things were set up, I see no problems with it. I will agree, one thing the shotgun start does is put everyone on the courses at the same time, under the same conditions.

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pdq50h,

If you were shooting #10 you would walk to the target which would be at the end of the course that you were shooting. Most or all of the courses come back to road and then start the next ten. If you were shooting #5 you would start at either #l or #10 and walk to the target. When you talk about walking to far, our group which were all over 60 years and one over 72 years walked from the checkin twenty minutes to the first target and then when we finished that 20 targets we were farther away from the starting point then when we started and we had no transportation to or from the course (K Course). The next day we walked past K course to get to H Course and shot all but 2 targets on Saturday before they cancelled. The people that set up these courses can set them so that this would be no problem and the walking is never going to be easy at Snowshoe. The time element would be much easier to enforce and the chance to meet more archers would be much greater. If the targets are set up in 20 target groups the people shooting #10 some cases would have the farthest to walk. If the targets were set up in 10 target groups, at the end of the shoot the archers could help by bringing their targets back to road for pick up for the auction. The NFAA AND the ASA as well as some of the state organizations use this system.

As far as walking to far, I shot one Bowhunter defense course that started at the top of the hill and ended up down at the lake for only 10 targets. How far is that for 10 targets?