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Last year the rules for the three stick classes(Trad, LB & RU) were changed because of the IBO's involvement in the 3DI. It was the opinion of a few that the lack of success for the 3DI team was due to the fact our recurve and longbow shooters needed to shoot longer distance and string walk/face walk. So the rules were changed in all three classes. LB and Trad just saw the increase from 25 yards to 30. While the RU saw the increase in yardage plus the addition of string walking and face walking.As a participant the last two years in RU I am concerned. First, rules were changed that did not help the classes and then a team was not sent to the 3DI tournament. Second, my biggest concern, the classes were all down in participation in 2007. Every shoot last year(National Triple Crown) participation was down with the exception of Trad at Erie. Total participationwas down 34%(32 shooters in 06/21 in 07) in LB, 31%(45 shooters in 06/31 in 07) in RU, and 11%(56 in 06,50 in07) in Trad.Which made an overall decrease of 24% in all classes.

I see this year that the IBO has returned LB to 25 yards. What are you going to do for RU & Trad? As for myself I don't have a problem with the 30 yards or the string and face walking. However, string and face walkingare only legal in the IBO no one else allows it. So my biggest question is.....Since 3DI which ultimately only effects 4 stick shooters(those that make the team) wasn't a reality in 2007 and may not be again in 2009, why don't we go back to the rules we had previously?

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I personally am returning to shoot at least a couple legs of the TC and the worlds (Trad or RC)because the stakes where moved backed a little bit - would have preferred 35 max myself.

Steve

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Personally I think the equipment and yardage rules are the best they have ever been in a while. Some of the crazy things like no double string nocks and the 1/8 pad size limit in LB and trad have been removed from the rules. If people want to shoot short they can get some wood arrows and a longbow. The better equipment in trad and ru easily allows a person to reach out 5 more yards. If anything RU could be jumped up to 35.

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You misunderstood what I stated. I have no problem with the rules other than with the string and face walking. I don't have a big problem with that other than you can't do it if you shoot in another organization. It is not something I want to mess with. What I am concerned is that PARTICIPATION has fallen off. Comparing 2006 to 2007 the only difference for these classes was the rule changes. We shot the same shoot sites at approximately the same time. I purposely left out the World because of the site change from Snowshoe to Anderson. I think that the stick classes should go to 35 yards if they want to stay in step with the Europeons. They shoot 30 meters(approx. 33 yards). The bottomline in all this for me is....the change did not bring more shooters out(i.e. not a positive for the classes) and THERE WAS NOT A 3DI TEAM SENT TO EUROPE.

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ASA has almost zero participation from stickshooters compared to IBO. So I dont think changing IBO rules to match ASA rules would bring in any more shooters. If anything it might drive them away.
More than likely the drop in shooters was from gas prices if anything. And people should not let string walkers scare them. They do not seem to have proved to be that much superior as far as scores go...

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K N what does ASA have to do with this? I don't recall ever mentioning ASA in any of my posts on this subject. Participation or lack of in ASA has more to do with wood bow shooters being unwilling to shoot against someone with a metal riser & elevatated rest(i.e. IBO Traditional & Longbow vs RU).More they only want to shoot 25 yards. This year the RU class with probably be down one more shooter as I will probably not shoot. Not just because it is becoming economically unfeasible but since long distance snipers such as yourself are coming out I couldn't stand the embarrassment.

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Dan I am sorry if I was wrong about you meaning ASA but since you also shoot ASA and ASA is one of the only other large "orgs" that shoots 3D competitively and since ASA does not allow stringwalking I thought that was what you were talking about... Forgive me for adding 2+2 and making a guess that the answer was 4.

PS sorry that my lowly instinctive shooting skills has scared you off.

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K N this is something that has been a long time coming. Every year I say this is it for the IBO. I have no interest in continueing in RU because of the low turnout/low payback. IF I do continue it will be in Traditional and only IF I get another bow. For now I will stay in the ASA with lower entry fees and higher pay back.

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K N also with the IBO when they make a rule change they either just do it or they take a poll. A poll is a fine thing but only poll the folks that the changes will effect. I mean don't ask me what I think the MBO or the Pros should do ask them. These changes in LB,Trad & RU were done only because of the 3DI. As these classes had shot 25 yards with no "walking" the previous couple of years. It will be interesting to me to see what happens next year. If there will be a 3DI team or not, what participation is in Trad & RU and whether rules will be changed again? BTW NOBODY scares me when it comes to shooting. I have been beat by almost everyone so it is nothing new to me.

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Never understood the concept of amatuers competing for cash - just me.
Dave - the following is an "in general" comment not directed at you - since I do not know you.
Maybe whats hurting attendance slightly is the seemingly yearly change of rules - distance, equipment, shooting methods etc etc etc.
The perception of many are these changes are sparked a vocal few trying to gain personal advantage (for those $200 windfalls).
How about leaving them for 2 or 3 years and see what really happens with attendance

Steve

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Steve-This is my opinion not directed at you personally. When you pay the entry fees that IBO has $50 in the case of RU I do not feel it out of line for you to have a cash payback. They only give ONE plaque to this class. Now in looking at the breakdown of the $50, $10 goes into the pot for the class, $6 to the IBO(this is the figure I have been told by an IBO representative) and $34 goes to the host club. Regardless of the amount of work a club has in a shoot that is a pretty tidy profit. Now contrast this to the ASA, they payback 70% of the entryfees to the class plus three plaques. BTW the entry is only $30 for Traditional.

As far as rule changes go, I have tendency to agree with you. A few years back I believe RU did shoot 30 or 35yds then it was changed to 25. Look at what they call the classes. The current Longbow(LB) was called MTRD for a long time. The current Traditional(TRD) has been called Hunter Recurve(HR), Traditional Hunter(TH) and I thought there was another one all in the last 5 years. I must say some of the changes are positive. Allowing you two nock between two nocks is a positive change. I guess what you missed on my tirade was they changed the rules because of the involvement in 3DI and then didn't send a team. Personally I could care less what the Europeons or the Asians or anyone else for that matter does at their shoots. I seem to do all my shooting in the good ole USA.

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I keep shooting the RU class because I enjoy shooting a recurve and am somewhat competetive. I agree the entry fees are going to start hurting, if they haven`t already. I would like to see a way of balance so that the pay outs could be larger and see if that draws more shooters. I won the world in the early 90`s with a payout of 700.00 and yardages up to 60 yards but it was all one class.There was around 90 shooters in the RU class.I did see payout go to almost 1200.00 for a couple of years. Then the yards got closer and this rule was changed and that rule was changed and pretty soon the RU class got split to RU and TRAD. It does seem like change happens alot with this class and as far as string/face walking, it really doesn`t matter because I`ve seen people do well against them doing thegap/instinctive shooting thing. When it comes to competing, you run what you brung, if you want to get to the top then you have to try different methods to see what works for you and if you stay as is then it`s practice, practice, practice to make it work well for you. I`ll stop rambling on and just say, see ya on the course andshoot`em in the middle.

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3drchr it must have been nice to get that kind of payback. By today's standards there would of had to have been 120 shooters just for a winner take all pot that big. Maybe the "hosts" didn't profit as much then. I don't know what the answer is for getting more participation. Whether it is rule changes, lowering entry fees or changing venues. Yes I said changing venues. As IBO shooters we go to Bedford, McKean & Nelsonville year after year so we accept traveling say 5 or 6 hours one way. What if they had a National Triple Crown somewhere else. Might be a nice change. How often have you heard these comments? I hope we are not on top of the hill at Erie again this year. Ya I shot that range last year. I am not going to Nelsonville this yearbecause I am too far out to win. Maybe some change is needed. As far as Trad and Ru being combined, the other organizations due it now. The current Traditional in ASA is basically if you shoot a stick you are in one class. You are allowed a single 12" stabilizer. Finger must touch arrow nock. NFAA Traditional( I know they only have one national 3D shoot) is all sticks, no stabilizer, no string or face walking. ASA has a 25 yard max and NFAA I believe has a 50. The participation for all three organizations is small. Last year the top turnouts were IBO-RU 15 in Bedford, TRAD 19 in Erie;ASA 27 in Texas and NFAA had 3 or 4 at Yankton. If the IBO combined RU & TRAD the largest turnout would have been 32 at Bedford. So is combining the classes the answer? I don't know. Even if you had all three classes combined you would only had 42 shooters at Bedford. That is still not a large class. Maybe we need a Pro Traditional class to get us some respect and recognition. LOL!!!!!!

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Finger,
Not true! That poll was sent only toRU, TRD, FTRD andLB classes, not the other classes. I know, I did the mailing. And the IBO does not "just change a rule". Rule changes come up most of the timebecause the archers bring them up, that is when they are even opened for discussion by the Board. We get letters, emails and polls done by archers themselves. They are taken to the meetings and discussed at length. I know, I do the minutes at the meetings.
Just wanted to clarify.
:)
Judy

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Judy I guess I missed the mailing on that one. I have been a semi regular in TRD or RU the last 4 or 5 years.

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....."to get us some respect and recognition."

See now, it's cheap little quips like this that get under my skin a bit. You don't like a particular rule....That's ok,I understand that, we will never completely satisfy everyone. However, your views regarding a lack of respect are way off base, and serve only to divide the bowhunting comunity rather than to unite. Lets take a look into the validity of the claim.....

1. The IBO established a secondary organization (3DI) and spent years negotiating the establishmentof International 3D competition in an effort to promote our sport and our competitors on a world format. (2/3 of those team memberswere Traditional style shooters)
2. The IBO responded to requests from our membership to implement rules to reflect international standards to help our competitors better prepare for international competition.
3. The IBO engaged our sponsors within the Bowhunting community to cover the expence of sending teamsabroad to represent the USA for International 3D competiotion.
4. The IBO responded to additional requests from our membership (Traditional) to reduce distances for some classes to better reflect the desires of those who do not wish to compete internationally but still want to participate.
5.The IBO/3DI opposed changes implemented for the International events that significantly deviated from the original intent and integrity of the game, and placed our competitors at an unfair disadvantage.
6. The IBO appointed a director to the board, not only because of his knowledge and involvement in the bowhunting community, but also specifically due to his love for and involvement with the traditional segment of our membership, and his desire to recognise, support, and promote their issues within the organization.
7. The IBO established additional practice ranges to reflect the needs of our traditional participation.
8. The IBO has established not 1, but 5 seperate traditional style classes to recognise the varied interests of our membership,and have worked with the strong support of Hocking College to attach scholorship potential for our youth who wish to pursue traditional style shooting.

For anyone who doesn't know it, currently the IBO recognizes the following traditional style classes:
Youth Traditional - includes scholorship potential with Hocking College.
Female Traditional - Allows womento compete on an even field with their peers.
Longbow - Recognizes the historical significance of the class and its equipment.
Traditional - Recognizes the modernization of the class and equipment.
RecurveUn-aided - Recognizestechniques and equipment utilised in international competition.

You can argue that the decisions of the IBO BOD were good or bad, right or wrong. In my opinion, however, if you are looking for signs of a lack of respect or recognition for any of our members or of any element of this sport, you are looking in the wrong direction.

These are of course, only my opinions, and are offered in responce to your opinions previously presented.

Chris Turner

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Chris thank you for your response. It is nice to see a Board Member on here. Let me address a couple of things that you said. First of all the respect and recognition comment I made was followed with LOL(laughing out loud) which means I am joking. We don't need a Pro class. It is is someways about respect and recognition. You should try shooting these classes sometime. The top competitors in these classes are virtualy ignored. Other than the Shooter of the Year getting a picture and little bio in the IBO Yearbook. If you read an archery magazine that has coverage of the big shoots only the Pros get press, we and all the other amatuers are ignored. Try being a stick shooter and then try to get a "shooter"bow from someone.I don't know the exact figures but there are dang few people with a factory shooter bow in these classes. Last year at the IBO World there were 5 Hoyts in the shootdown. How many of those 5 guys got anything from Hoyt previous to the shoot? One and that was because of his participation in 3DI in 05. BTW he kinda shamed Hoyt into doing something.
If you would have read my earlier posts you would see that I don't have a problem with the rules as they stand. The 30 yd max fine, string/face walking if that is what you want to do fine by me. The statement I am trying to make is- The rules were changed, a team was not sent to 3DI and participation fell in all three Male stick classes. I have purposely left Female Trad and Youth Trad out because they normally don't participate in the 3DI.
I thank you for the work that the IBO did to establish the 3DI. I also thank you for the Traditional practice ranges at the NTC & World. I know it was much appreciated by the stick shooters. I also want to apologize to Judy my comments were not directed at her. I just wanted to say that as a participant in probably half the national or world shoots the last three years I was not asked to fill out the poll. Even though it would not have mattered to me about the changes it would have been nice to have been asked.

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Finger, yes the payout was nice but the way it was done then I`m not sure of. Entry fees were lower but you also had alot more shooters then. The pot was made up of world shoot participant`s fees and world qualifier fees. Now how that was divided is what I`m not sure of. Back then it was common to have 10 to 20 RU shooters at a local shoot,around here anyway. The NTC averaged about 40 to 50 at the first event and 30 or so at the second and about 15 or 20 at the last. I used to hear some guys start talking of going to a compound class for one reason or another. One reason was, more shooters = larger payout. So, we started losing a few here and a few there. I would like to see more shooters in this class and I try to encourage anyone that mentions it. Some even try it and say, man I wish I would`ve pick one of these up a long time ago. So anyone wanting to try it, go for it and you might just get hooked but also give it a chance. See ya on the course and shoot`em in the middle!

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finger,just wondered how he shamed hoyt into sponcership?

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Well the story I was told was-After he was told that Hoyt doesn't do anything for recurve 3D shooters, you said well that's ok Mathews will give me two bows. At that point whoever at Hoyt had a change of heart. I would call that kinda shameing them into it. RUshooter if you are who I think you are and you are, are my comments that far off base? Would like to know how Powell, Hawk, Beedy, Irvine, Epling,Steinke,yourself and some others feel. BTW you won't have to drag me around the course at the World this year. LOL!

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With the heat at Anderson last year I think all of us were dragging around the course, LOL.

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FINGERS

NICE TO HERE FROM YOU AND I'M ALSO GLAD THAT I SAW YOU AT THE ATA SHOW.
I REALLY DONT LIKE TO PUT SOMEONE IN A SPOT TO GET SOMETHING FROM THEM. I WENT TO A LOCAL SHOP AND ASKED IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET ON HOYTS SHOOTING STAFF THROUGH THEM, HE SAID I COULD BUT I WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR WHAT I GOT. IF YOU'RE ON STAFF WITH SOMEONE AND THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING OR LET YOU BUY IT AT A REDUCED COST THATS DIFFERENT. I'M NOT OUT TO LEECH OFF SOMEBODY OR TO GET A FREE RIDE.

JIM

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My post on this subject is based entirely on past expierence many years ago. When I started shooting people that shot with a sight on their bow were very few and were looked down on. Since that time many things have changed and so have the numbers. Every bow then and now had the capability of shooting a perfrect score however the shooter with that capability did not exist. Since that time archery manufacturers have been trying to improve there product and shooters keep working to better their skills to utilize the improvements made by archery companies. The vast majority of archers now use much more equipment on their bow and bows that give them ways that make a higher score attainable with practice. The vast majority now are the people that prefer shooting aids to help them shoot higher scores during competitive events and especially in hunting situations. Shooting a bow is a game that puts you against the bow and the competitive game that you may choose. Rules are necessary to level the playing field (if possible) and to keep the majority happy with the game. If a few people in any class feel that the rules should be changed they must first find out what the majority of the shooters in that class are thinking and then present the facts to the people that are responsib le for making the rules. In this post 7 or 8 people have responded and some of the post could have been addressed directly to the BODor the President (CEO).At the Worldlast year there weremany shooters in the classes mentioned but evidently the majority considered the shoot and the rules to be
fair and just. Criticisim on the net for the most part serves no purpose other than to give outsiders a reason to question the organization itself. The IBO has on many occasions tried to obtain information about suggested changes by individuals by polling as many people as possible that would be affected by a change. Bluejacket's and Judy responses were justified and to the point and were based on facts pertaining to the questions. These responses were from people in the know and with favoritisim toward no individual or group. Many times people would be much further ahead to ask the people in the know for the facts pertaining to an issue before posting comments unfavorable to their organization. The Forum is available for all to express their thoughts and opinions as I have done here and others with equal value have done the same. Bluejacket your post should have justified the BOD making the necessary changes to rules and it should also explain a reasoning that some people don't think of or know about. The forum is a great tool and should be used to enjoy and obtain other shooters expierences and suggestions. The IBO is an organization made up of archers from different locationsand different backgrounds but all with one purpose, to Promote Archery. If some issues cause people to leave the organization the silent majority may be staying to help make necessary changes as the majority dictates.MAJORITY RULES

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Fastfletch- I started in the days when there were two classes. You either had a sight or you did not. There were no sliders, no releases and dang few stabilizers. We shot paper targets and shot til we had a scoring arrow(up to three per target, each with a reduced score). Archery was a lot different then.

To everyone who has responded to this thread- FOR ME, it does not matter whether we shoot 5 yds or 50. Whether we string walk, face walk or moon walk. MY POINT is participation is down is all three classes(if you don't believe me spend some time going thru the results of National Triple Crown)and the only change from 2006 to 2007 was the rule changes. If rules were changed in MBO & MBR that resulted in a 20+% drop in participationI am sure it would have someones attention. Since it is a drop in already small classes it is overlooked.

To Bluejacket- As far as my little quip dividing the bowhunting community I would like that oneexplained to me. While this board is not just limited to IBO members, the vast majority of bowhunters have no idea what we are talking about here. I am not saying that IBO members are not bowhunters(there are some incredible bowhunters in the IBO). The total membership(numbers) of the IBO is very small compared to the number of bowhunters in the midwest let alone the entire country. According to the Bowhunting World Annual there is something like 850,000 licenses sold in Michigan, Ohio and PA(I know that there are multiple tags available/hunter & that some hunters hunt all three states). Even allowing for 30% of that total to be multiple tags and crossover hunters that still leaves roughly 600,000. How many members does the IBO have? Mystatements are not meant to slam the IBO or its membership but in terms of numbers the IBO does not represent the majority of thebowhunting community. We are not bowhunting when we shoot an IBO event. We are playing a target game. I am glad the IBO got involved with the 3DI. It gives some of the Traditional shooters some exposure. Chris I thank you and the other board members for their work in making this come about.

I guess we will have to see what 2008 brings. Gas prices are out of this world so that will have a negative effect on everyone. I will interested to see if what the numbers in RU, TRAD & LB do this year. Next year is a 3DI year, it will be interesting to see if a team is sent. These are just my opinions, with them and $2 you can get a cup of coffee. LOL!

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Ok, it's a fair request that I explain my opinions, so let me try.

In the above post you point out that many people view these message boards, some are IBO members looking for clarification of issues, and some are prospective members researching the organizations theyare interested in. We have sponsors and prospective sponsors who follow these discussions not only to evaluate public opinion about their products, but also those who they choose to sponsor and support.We also, often have prospective host organizations monitor these boards to evaluate those participating. So while the internet provides the opportunity to communicate thoughts and ideas in an interactive manner, it also allows rapid dissemination of inaccurate and potentially harmful information. So when we have people who have been involved, such as yourself, making comments that this organization does not respect or recognize the involvement and importance of any segment of our membership, those people who as you point out may not know what we are talking about, may leave with a false negative impression.If I can prevent that with the presentation of factual information, I intend to do so. To that end, if you can present to me how, with the multiple past efforts made, we have failed to properly show respect for this portion of our membership, I'm listening.

Now, I do not believe that it was your intent to misrepresent the information. In reading your follow-up posts, I see a frustration expressed and a desire for expanded recognition for yoursegmentof the sport within the archery community as a whole. To some extent Ican understand and even share that frustration.However, the most that can be asked of any organization is to continue to provide the opportunities for participation. The choice to become involved lies exclusively with the individual.

I will respectfully disagree with you on one further point. Every event we conduct showcases bowhunters and their abilities. While it is, in fact, not a live hunt, our events serve to encourage and educate the average bowhunter to improve their performance, and introduce bowhunters to the communities around us. The success and safety of our events have helped open doors and continue to secure hunting and shooting opportunities around the world. How we conduct ourselves in public or on these forums helps to definehowwe are perceived by the general public. We do not function in a protective bubble, but rather under a very intense microscope.

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There are three longbows on the four IBO pages in the last Bowhunting World mag.Looks like respect to me. Pete

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Ok here we are in the 2008 season and Bedford is over. Let's look at the participation this year: RU- 9 shooters down from 15 in 2007, TRD-20 shooters down from 27 in 2007 LB-12 shooters up from 9 in 2006. What is the difference between 2007 & 2008, well $4/gal gas and LB went back to 25 yards as their max. Now the really funny thing is in 2006 there were 21 RU shooters. From 2006 to 2008 there has been roughly a58% decrease in the number of shooters. Oh well let's see what Erie, Nelsonville and the World brings.

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Wow was the overall turnout that bad? I am not sure but I believe this is a record low turnout for the stick classes. LB had 3, TRD had 17 and RU had 5. Last years turnout was bad but LB had 6, TRD 19 and RU had 8. I guess the $4 gas is going to kill what is left of the "stick" classes.

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one possible reason for the low traditional turn out other than $4 gas is that alot of people went to the Traditional Archery Nationals in Cloverdale,IN. the gentleman who won LB class at Bedford did not go to Erie. He went to cloverdale. several guys that i know passed up Erie to do the same thing. I myself shot erie all on friday and was going to go to Cloverdale but didn't because of bad weather.
Maybe if the erie shoot wasn't the same weekend as Cloverdale there might be a few more trad shooters. last year Erie and cloverdale where on different weekends. i went to both.
Alot of guys I know love to bowhunt but could care lees about the IBO. The IBO has a reputation of not being trad friendly. i agree with this. look how many times in the past 4 years or so that the IBO has screwed around with the rules for the trad classes.

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I LOVE TO HUNT AND TO COMPETE, SHOOTING CLOVERDALE MIGHT HELP ME HUNT BUT IT SURE WON'T HELP ME TO COMPETE. I'VE HEARD STORIES FROM PEOPLE THAT HAS SHOT CLOVERDALE (I HAVEN'T) OF SCORES THAT WERE TO GOOD TO BE TRUE (SHARP PENCIL). AS FOR RULE CHANGES, CHANGES CAN BE GOOD BECAUSE THE MAKE YOU WORK HARDER TO BE AT THE TOP OF YOUR GAME.

JUST MY OPINION
JIM

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OhioMike-This not the first time the Cloverdale shoot has been the same weekend as Erie. As FBAXIS said alot of the "traditional" types don't shoot IBO or anything else that has any organization to it. It is too easy to shoot with buddies and make up your score. If the IBO and other archery organizations could get these folks out our numbers would rival MBO, I think there was somewhere around 700 stick shooters at Cloverdale this year. Unfortunately most of these people do not what to compete or keep score as it is a constant reminder to them of how bad they shoot.

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FINGERS

THIS HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD SUMMER SO FAR. I'VE BEEN TO BUSY AT THE CLUB, NO MONEY, GAS AND TO MANY LOCAL SHOOTS. I PLAN TO DO THE WORLDS I HAVEN'T MISSED IT SINCE 1996, THE TRIPLE CROWN THE FIRST TIME I'VE MISSED IT SINCE 1996.

KEEP IN TOUCH
JIM

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Jim,
As we have discussed, I made the decision to end my IBO career. You know all the reasons. I still want to see the class go on and grow but it does not look like that is what is happening. I hope at some point to catch up with you and Beedy before the summer ends. I have had a great year. Done ok shooting ASA so far. Took the money I would have spent shooting the Triple Crown and came up to Michigan smallmouth fishing. Wow was that fun.
In all these threads I think everyone has missed my point. The rules are notthe problem to me. The lack of participation is the problem and the fact that the rule changes were for 3DI and a team WAS NOT sent. I know the Europeans changed their rules so IBO decided not to send a team. As I said before I will be real interested to see what happens in 09. With RU dropping to a record low turnout I wonder if they will have anyone to ask to go to the 3DI let alone if they will evensend a team.

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Ouch!!!!! The gas prices are killing us. I hope something changes for 2009 or archery as a whole is going to suffer. Looking at the turnout for Nelsonville, RU- 3 shooters, LB- 7 shooters, TRD- 12 shooters. Wow I know that Nelsonville historically has been the smallest turnout but ..... The question for 09 may not be is the IBO sending a team to the 3DI but are they going to continue to have the classes? BTW CONGRATS to the winners you posted some very fine scores.

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Best of luck to all the participants in LB,TRD, & RU.

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FINGERS

HOPEFULLY WE'LL RUN INTO EACH OTHER THIS NEXT YEAR.
GOOD LUCK HUNTING. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE DRAWN FOR A MICHIGAN ELK, I GOT THE DECEMBER HUNT WITH A CHOICE OF BULL, COW, OR A CALF. I'M GOING TO TRY BITH A BOW FOR A FEW DAY THEN I'LL USE A GUN. DECEMBER CAN'T GET HERE QUICK EGOUGH.

JIM

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Jim congrats on the elk tag. Best of luck in that hunt. Be sure to send me some pictures. Also good luck at the World. I am not going as you already know. Austin can now go because school is starting later than he originally thought. I would like to go with him so he doesn't have to travel alone but in checking the cost....$67 to shoot + $10 late fee + membership. Holy smokes I would have nearly $110 in it and what would i be shooting for a belt buckle. Besides as someone pointed out to me on another board RU numbers are only down because of gas prices and no one thinks they can beat Randy. Have a great fall and I hope to see you soon my friend.

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Congrats to the winners! Mighty fine shooting boys. Numbers for the World are about what they have been for the last three years. The World is not a good indicator of the attendance of these classes because they have been held in three different locations. Only time will tell if these classes are going to survive or if tournament archery in general will survive. Best of luck to all in 2009.

RE: IBO rule changes due to 3DI
 

Well 2009 is nearly upon us. I wonder what will happen this year?????? It is the 3DI year and will IBO send a team? If they do how will they decide who is on it? I heard about the exhibition 3DI shoot that they had at Hocking College. I also heard that perhaps IBO was interested in doing some more like it in the future. I for one would like to know if things like this are going to happen in the future how does the IBO propose to make teams? What is the criteria for participation??