worlds participation.
 

going out on a limb here.....but im betting the numbers are going to be down this next year..............at indiana............

asa stays south for a reason........ibo needs to stay more northeast....for the same reason............just my opinion..........

RE: worlds participation.
 

I agree 100% with you. Im not going and am not renewing my IBO membership. I cant se going to In. 2 times one for triple crown and then back for the worlds

RE: worlds participation.
 

Is there any place to stay at? In snowshoe we all gathered in the center of town what does indiana have? is there a village! is the course flat or is it hilly or mountains.

RE: worlds participation.
 

why go to the same place for 7 yrs. ? its gettin kinda old don't ya think

RE: worlds participation.
 

IBOCHAMP, thats a good question. But people dont seem to get tired of Bedford,Erie or Nelsonville. I take my family to the worlds and they love it, because their is lots of things for them to do while I am shooting. Not being able to stay at the shoot sitemakes it hard for people like me who dont want to leave their family in a hotel with no car while I go shoot. The 2007 worlds nowseem to bethe 4th leg of the nationals. I hope anderson puts on a good shoot and it turns out great for you guys that attend. I just canttake the chance on taking my wife and kids and spending the cash not knowing if they will have to sit in a hotel room and stare at corn and bean fields.

RE: worlds participation.
 

I agree, My whole family attended this year and all had a great time. Is the move to Indiana a move to benefit members and if so whatinput did the members have in the decision? My family will not attend 2007 championships.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Im dissapointed in IBO's decision to want what is at the least 75-80% of their members who like to shoot at the Worlds for the competition and meeting those who are interested in the same things,to have to drive 8-12 hours to get there.Well there you have it 2 days on the road to shoot 40 targets.Not me or the 30 other people I know.Its sad

RE: worlds participation.
 

Bowtech,
Some of us have been driving 10 or 11 hours for the last 6 years and have not complained. Where did you come up with 75-80%? Did you do a poll of the membership?

RE: worlds participation.
 

I am another one that is not happy with the move. Indiana is about half of the drive for me, But I would rather drive twice as far to shoot at Snowshoe. I think it is going to be extremely hot and more expensive for lodging. I hope the IBO can prove me wrong on this but I will be surprised.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Wayne,
Obviously you are "in the know" for the Anderson decision (you are from Anderson correct?)

Why not answer some of the directly posed concerns about the location choice rather than just dispute or dismiss them? People are genuinely concerned about losing an event that they look forward to each year.
If you could somehow outline some of the good things that Anderson has to offer (events, etc) and the availabilty of lodging it might put peoples anxieties at ease a little.
There is obviously quite a bit of "Knee Jerk" reaction to the decision by the eastern members who need a little reassurance.

I have seen the questions raised by others (as well as myself ) who have legitimate honest questions concerning the change.

RE: worlds participation.
 

I believe Nelsonville is run by Hocking College whom is also repsonsible for donating scholorships to the youth classes.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Hey Huffman I take back the 75-80% but i believe most of your shooters come from the NE,With that said I agree with Matt.Those are the questions we should be asking.Job well done Matt lets see if they answer you.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Wheeeere's Wayne?????????
I would like to see answers to these questions also.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Well I guess that the change is bringing out the families that did not want a change. In the six years that I attended the shoots at Snowshoethere were people that shot and never came back. Broken bones, bad weather, and a few others that I will not mention. Snowshoe always tried it best to make everyone happy and some people still never came back but at first the newcomers filled the voids and the attendance did not suffer. In seven years the attendance was dropping due to many factors which are factors beyond everyone's control. When we left the Worlds at Peak and Peak and went to the Shoe the same thing happened but 3D was still growing. This could be a long discussion with no resolution that would satisfy 100% of the Shooters. The IBO has made a decision based on what it thinks is necessary to keep the majority of it members satisfied and competeing. The majority is what the IBO must satisfy and Individual stories and disatisfactions can only be heard and numbered until they seem to become the MAJORITY. The deceision was not made overnight and the responsible parties feel that they have made a decision which will satisify the majority for the forseeable future. Family participation is very important and is always a consideration when the responsible parties have to make a decision that involves the total membership. When The worlds left Peak and Peak and went to the Shoe many people welcomed the move and many more were unhappy so it seemed but the change was necessary for contractual reasons. I am happy to see a change and I hope that it will get my family to go back to the shoot. Right now Anderson, Ind. is the best World Championship that we have never shot.

RE: worlds participation.
 

I will tell you why...

Because they don't care.
they want what is best for them (the orginazation of the top staff).

You as a member of an orginazation do not get a vote or chance to speak out until the decisions have already been made.
Wow, wasn't there a time in history that had something like this???

Oh yeah, It was when Hitler made the decisions for everyone for them![:-]

RE: worlds participation.
 

Supershark, Superdave and few others thats been whinning


Hitler, come on man. You guy'shave cried,whinnnned , boohooed for a week now. If you don't want to come, DON'T. I don't know you, so I am not really going to miss you if you don't. They'er are others that will enjoy the shoot and have fun. Thats who the people running the programwill focus on NOT you.
They had 1900 shooters this year. Another drop in shooters. Becuase of prices and what not.
Just maybe you should personally make the decisions for the 2500 or so shooters where to shoot and not the board members. This takes a group effort not one person to get done.

With love.
Doug Girt

RE: worlds participation.
 

doug,
I thoughtas a memberyou could voice your opinion withoutsomeone calling you names.As one of the winers you refer to I have looked at theweb sites offered by whuffman and I have viewed the videos on that web site. I do not find a location that will allow accomodations, restaurants or meeting places for family andfriends without a long drive in traffic. I realize it takes time to get info out, but, wouldn't you think that some of these things would have been considered before a decisionwas made? Wouldn't a location be the firstthing considered?Wouldn't it be logical to get that info to the membership with the annoucement of the change?

RE: worlds participation.
 

I understand what you are saying. But from this side of the screen it looked like a rip fest on the people who worked hard on the bid they put in to get this shoot here. There were other places that put in and others that were put in as consideration for the event. They lost the bid from what the board members needed to have the event. We did not know we going to get the shoot till about 2 todays before anybody else did.They looked at places in NewYork and PA.

I have been a member since about 1989 or so and all I ever hear is people being upset over every little thing that happens. NewYork andFlatwoods didn't have much room and they put on a great shoot. My family and I drove 8-9 hours and stayed in campers or motel rooms shot our bows and had fun and went on. We have on average about 15-18 people in our group or family when we go. It cost a lot of cash just to go shoot a stupid bow for fun, but we pay it and go on.

Some of you people that rip on others about the way things are done are just as insulting as name calling. By ripping the IBO you are also saying we as a city and host groupfailed before we ever shot an arrow. Nobody is on the take. No one did anything sneeky or is robbing anyone. Several sites were looked at and they accepeted ours.( to our suprise) [8D]

I hope you come and enjoy your selves here in Anderson. We know it's not Snowshoe and never said it was, but we hope we give a great course to shoot on and a chance to win.

I see a lot of people at shoots that either can't go becuase of money or can't handle the mountain. It would be to see them back shooting the World shoot again.

Doug Girt

RE: worlds participation.
 

Doug,
I have been a member for one year. I attended the World's at Snowshoe, All I have heard is how wonderful it has been over the past 6 years. I agreed. I was totally impressed, sure we had a fog delay second day 1st group but thats weather at least it was cool. I heard the temperature in Indiana that day was 103 with high humidity. quess I am on the other side of your screen hearing only good things. I fear the unknown I quess and no one is making anything known to ease those fears.
Just a note, My son age 20 had a 81 year old man walked the course at Snowshoe with his group and had no problem with the mountain. Our course here in Ohio is much harder terain than Snowshoe. The condo's for the money were fabulous. I don't see how that could be improved on unless it would be motel room maybe 25 miles from where you shoot.
I do really wish you luck with the World's and hope all goes well.

RE: worlds participation.
 

I agree with Doug. I for one was ready for a change. I keep reading a lot about how great Snowshoe was. It was a nice place to shoot, but why don't we give the people who are going to do all the countless hours of work in Anderson Indianathe opportunity to put on a great shoot as well. As far as staying at Snowshoe, we had a Snowshoe employee walk with our group for most of the day on Friday, and he was glad the we weren't coming back again next year. He said he would'nt miss having to put out 400 targets.
For all the members that decide not to come that truly is sad. On the other hand, for those of us that do attend, I'm sure were going to meet new shooters and make new friends, from the new shooters, that will attend, because of a new location that is closer for them.
For those that are mad and are not going to come, then don't come, but please don't continue the e-mails with venom in them. That does nothing to promote are sport, it only shows how divided westill are, and that my friends is truly sad.
I also know everyone has a right to their opinion, it's the presentation that needs work in some cases.

RE: worlds participation.
 

first off.....dougie.....i am not sure what post you talking about....i made a statement about participation levels......did not see any whinning at all....just my opinion......i agree a change is needed....and in my opinion the triple crown really needs to be moved....all i said was i think numbers will be lower than if they had it in say ohio,pa,ny, ...thats all......if you think thats whinning so be it.......i was however whinning about how long it takes the ibo to do things......ie. announce the location.........

RE: worlds participation.
 

i have no dog in this fight but -- where did the idea that most of the worlds shooters came from the north east come from--???

RE: worlds participation.
 

I never read anything posted bad about the people of Anderson. I read a lot of people upset with a decision that was made. In some previous post it was mention that a change is what the majority wanted. Idont recall being asked, maybe they just forget to ask me. I think they forgot to ask everyone that I know that shoots. The first yearat snow shoe their were 3000 shooters approx. This year 1900 approx. In my opinion the #s didnt drop because of snow shoe alone. In the area I shoot over the past few years their has been a growing discontent for the IBO. People are upset with things like the paybacks,the increase in entry fees, the attitudes of the officers, notever having a vote in anything and basicly being ignored on this forum except by the state reps who do try to answer questions, but seem to come across as defending the IBO no matter what. Ino that a lot of things the IBO gets the blame for they have no control over. For example if it cost you $50.00to enter a shoot plus $3.00 to park your car at one of the nationals.The IBO only gets $2.50 of that and the club hosting the shoot gets $32.00 and $10.00 goes to the payback for that class."Yes I know that only adds up to $42.50 but I cant recall where the other $7.50 goes."This type ofinfo upsets me, and other people I know. I expect the IBO to defend the rights of bowhunters,well I am a bowhunter and I feel I am getting ripped off and the IBO is letting it happen. Why do the triple crown shoot have a permanent home? Do your own search and seewho runs the clubs that host the triple crown. No I am not happy with the change to the 07 worlds. Butthats not the only thing that me and a lot of other people I shoot with are upset about. I hope the IBO can make some changes in the future but untill then I will shoot local and maybe that other organization. I hope Anderson goes well in 07. Good luck.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Uncle Paul,
I keep hearing we need a change. No reason for change, nothing about the new location, only give it a chance,Nothing about how the decision was made just that people who work hard made a decision to benefit the membership. I'm a member, no one asked me about anylocations. That is what seems a little sad.I promise I will send no more emails.

RE: worlds participation.
 

I noticed that you joined 9/07/06. Is that an error or factual. The subject of where the next World Championship would be has been discussed many places including the forum. At any time you have genuine concern about an issue that is happening or is about to happen the best thing to do is send the IBO Headquarters about your concerns. Then and only then should you expect an answer of some descriptions to base your opinions and justify your critiscisim. Siding with others to satisfy your disappointment does not do justice to the organization or yourself.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Fasstfletch,
Joined forum 9/7/06, does that make a difference? I quess I joined forum too late to hear discussions and I must havemissed thediscussions at all the other places you mentioned. I voiced my concern at the World's to the IBO.I expect an answer because I am a paying member.My concerns are my concerns not based on anyone elses. My dissappointment and my family's dissappointment is based on how well we felt the World's were handled in Snowshoe and and what a great job the IBO Headquarters did in Snowshoe.Now the locationwill be moved.I have looked at the web sites offered by others but cannot find a resort in Anderson that offers centrally locatedaccomadations like Showshoeorsome of the otherrumored locations. Like I keep saying I quess I will have to wait and see. I appologize if my opinions and concerns and short time in forum upset you.

RE: worlds participation.
 

Family 5
Have faith that it is going to be a new adveture for the whole family and go there with a positive attitude and I think you will then be able to judge for yourself. Wait until the total story is posted about the shoot and then you may change your mind. Who knows we may even be able to start Archery (Non Alcholic) Tailgateing Parties at the Cite. Just think that the best shoot you ever attended will be the next one. I am not upset and you shouldn't be either. The Best is yet to come.

RE: worlds participation.
 

[8D]Snowshoe was a 14 hr. drive for us but we did it now indiana will be a bit more. If the course is a little easier to walk that would be fine with me. It seems like every year some one crashed on the course. Last year it was an elderly lady, this year a few mbo shooters took a nastie fall. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out thanks to all who work hard to help keep the club going.:):)

RE: worlds participation.
 

I believe thereason attendance is down at tournaments is because people can't afford to travel like they used to. When the IBO Worlds started in Snowshoe, Gas prices (Along with Airline Tickets) was much cheaper. It most likely has nothing to do with the repeated location or IBO Payouts, Although there may be very few people that have not come back for these reasons. I do however believe that the IBO would have benefitted with a more central location to WV, IN, PA, and OH to save on travel costs for the majority of participants. What people do not know and most likely will never know is that there might not have been a more central location even bidding on the IBO Worlds.

RE: worlds participation.
 

I believe attendance is down because archery is not a popular as it once was in the US. I blame that on population growth. Theres no room to shoot anymore. Most kids cant walk out there backdoor and fling an arrow at a target without getting arrested.