RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

Leave the Hunter Classes as is. If they want to step up to another class, there is nothing holding them back but themselves. It can be a place for the newbe or a place to stay. Although it was nice to have more competion in the other classes that we lost to the the hunter classes, it is one of the best things that the IBO has ever done. And, paying like is done now is also the way to go. It encourages the true competitor to step up.

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did. So reach for those goals, Explore and Dream, and do what you want to now."

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

Yes it has been announced many times that the hunter class was being structured for less intense competition.
Dues are the same.
Fees for qualifiers are the same.
Accomodation costs are the same. We do not exclude hunter class members in the totals for the International Bowhunting Organization.
It is not a trial class.It is not provisional either.
Presently class participation in the hunter classes are not limited to one year. The only restriction is two major wins in a year.Your estimates for payout are a little off in the HC.
The total in cash was $900 for HC.
But, your error does not include the second part. The totals expended by IBO for the HC in cash are $900. BUT, the gift certificates purchased for the hunter classes are right at $19,000.We were able to work out a deal with Cabela's to get more value in gift certificates than we had in dollars for them. Following the format advertised for these classes.
Speaking of gift certificates,there are 90 of them.
The hunter classes are doing precisely what we hoped for them to do.They were considered for an introduction to the game. A way to get more people to take their bow out to the local club and shoot.That is happening. These classes were not designed to generate shooters for just the World Championship.
If there would be any changes to the hunter classes it would be for more restriction in regard to the scores neccessary to place or win.
Our intent was NOT to create a class for shooters that just could'nt quite win on the national or world level to have a class where they could win. Has that happened? Yes! Are the classes generating new shooters that are moving on to other classes for greater competition? The answer to that is also yes. Gary Smith ( the winner of last years best off the best) is a good example of that.
Those are the facts.

ken12

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

Fastfletch, I see your point, but consider the flip side.

Now that we know the HC is for newer shooters/less comptetive, things should be done with that in mind. The HC the first year it was at the worlds was HUGE. Many MBR, MBO and even SPM dropped into it for the simple goal of winning it. If you look at the paybacks I think the only division you could make more money in was PMR. The clearly was not what it was intended for.

Decisions around this class should involve the shooters, but also should be done with the goal of discouraging people to drop into it soley for the glory of winning. Introducing a SOY would give people something to drop in for so that they can punch up their resume. Its a fine line, changes to help the class versus changes to keep people from dropping down into HC.

--Bob

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

The other thing to concider here is the fact that they are trying to keep the CASH money out of this class. There is a fair check involved here for the SOY honors right... so inorder to keep it that way, it seems to me that this is the reason it is exempt. No money motivation for drop backs. Now Maybe there can be a petition to have a real nice plaque made for this class inorder to satify the need for a SOY award... is that enough? There is reconigtion involved here but no money.

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

ok here is what i don't get. I am told all the time that the awards depend on the number of shooters. The 1st prize for some classes was like around a 1000 dollars. Because of the number of shooters in that class was alot. But wait hunter class has the most shooters of all the classes. and the highest is 500 dollars.

i would like to bring up a rule from IBO RULES

In order for any class to be awarded a 1st place, there must be three shooters participating inthat class. Awards will be given based upon 10% of the field for each class from the preceding year. This rule will be utilized at the beginning of any Triple Crown Championship.<font color=red></font id=red>

i do not get why there is a limit on the cash award for the HC technically it should be ten percent of last years field?

why is there a limit. shouldn't it be 10 percent????????????<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

Mathews kid, the HC has prizes based on the number of entrants, the differences are that first place is capped at $500 and the rest of the prizes are awarded on the Lewis HC model, which basically turns it into a &quot;random&quot; selection of participants.

fastfletch, can't argue with your statement, ya, if the class is there and the people are not violating the rules, then they have every right to shoot in it. The concern is that the HC was developed to give newcomers and those that don't want to fight it out at the longer distances or the more competitive shooters, have a more relaxing class to shoot. As long as the people dropping to HC are doing this, fine. However, there were some top MBO/SPM shooters who did drop that first year for the money, not sure how many, but I talked to one of them and he told me thats why he did it, for the money and to be able to put world champion, on the resume for sponsors. That, in my opinion, is wrong.

--Bob

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

The group of people who decided that this class was needed was the same group who have dedicated their time and energy towards building this organization and archery in general. However, I doubt you would ever hear any of them refer to any of our members as loosers. A few years back, before the HC, there were many bowhunters who did not participate because they did not feel comfortable shooting against the serious competitors. The board of directors had the forsight and wisdom to initiate a class designed to introduce these individuals to the game of 3D in such a way that they could compete on a more casual format. They set up rules and guidelines that would encourage the shooter with just a basic hunting rig to try the game. Immediately there was a rush to find the limits of these rules by many of the established competitors with the sure knowledge that they would be able to dominate in that class. When the new arrivals realized what was happening, a cry of foul rang out. This presented a new dilema for the organization. Their new class was having the desired effect of drawing new shooters to the game, but now they had to protect the integrity of the class. They have done just that. They listened to ideas from their membership, capped the winnings, and redistributed the prises across the class. By the way, I'm sure that the guy at the bottom of that list that still won something is very happy with the new format. As for the SOY...I believe anyone in the HC is perfectly capable of winning that title. All they have to do is step up to the classes where it is offered and go for the gold.

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

In my opinion, BlueJacket pretty much summed up my opinion on this matter except for the fact that if you are in this game and are in HC, and worried about winning money, you are in the wrong class. HC is supposed to be for ENTRY level shooters. I am not pulling my own chain but am regularly one of the better pin shooters in my area, and when the opportunity to shoot HC came about a few years ago I thought long and hard about dropping back from MBR, but decided that it wouldn't be the right thing to do, for me anyway.

Pinmaster

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

Fastfletch.... the whole reason for keeping the money out of the class was to make it less profitable for the individuals that were dropping back to shoot the class. Keeping it as a equipment limiting in hopes of continueing the growth thru the new wealth of begining and short of time archers that are interested in the shorter range practice for hunting. Yes the numbers in thses classes are higher than most, but this is one class it seems that the IBO wants to keep as close to being an introductory as possible, giving everone an oppertunity to compeate, inprove their skills, and have more of a relaxed fun shooting experience. There are still very tallented people shooting HC, look at the scores.. sure I agree with you that there should be some sort of award base for them but not Money. That is what they are trying to avoid in this class. That's why I suggested the plaque. Is that enough in your opinion?

RE: 2003 Shooter of the Year Program
 

I would agree on keeping the monet out of this class. But I strongly believe that there should be a SOY for this class. It may be an entry level class for some but for some it is all they want to shoot. Some shooters don't have the ability or desire to shoot at further distances. For those that only shooting this class to have a little something on their resume are only kidding themselves.