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RE: PA Anterless Allocations
Thesource,
What is DMP? Obviously it's a term used more in NY than PA. Also, did the antlerless tag success rate change from one year to the next? If the succes rate stayed about the same in terms of the number of tags per deer killed then a 17% reduction in tags resulting in an 18% reduction in the kill sound reasonable, doesn't it? |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
Yea, sorry... DMP is a Deer Management Permit, NY's name for an antlerless permit.
On the surface, a 17% reduction in tags and an 18% reduction in harvest sounds comparable...if hunter success rate was 100%. Its not, though, and DEC statistics say that only one in 6 doe tags will be filled. So the harvest should only drop about 1/6 of the 17%that was reduced, or roughly 3%. |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
Thats OK we got DMAP permits .....Deer Management Assisitance Permits.
Guess we need a decoder ring when we talk to guys from other states:D I think I know what your trying to say but if the success rate remains constant then a decline in the tags should generate the exact same decline in harvest. Now I realize that succes rates are an inexact thing but if they stay close the harvest should then follow the tag number changes within reason. If 1 in 6 tags results in a kill then lets say you have 6000 tags resulting in a kill of 1000. Now you reduce those tags by 17% and you have 6000x.83=4980 tags if the success rate remains the same and one in 6 of those results in a kill you get 4980/6=830 deer killed. 830/100=17% Now I realize that success rates will vary but if it stayed about the same then the kill reduction of 18% for a tag (or DMP;)) reduction of 17% sounds about right to me. |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
Eesh .... call me embarrassed. Your math works (hate to admit I'm an engineer now:eek:)
I shortcutted - didn't work. I could fall back on the fact that the region 8 harvest was 22%, but that extra 5% doesn't seem worth arguing over. The point is, you can continue to reduce to the herd with less doe tags. Here in Steuben County, our harvest has dropped 40% in 2 years, and we were just trying to stay steady. Nice catch, though, BTB. I stand corrected. |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
If 1 in 6 tags results in a kill then lets say you have 6000 tags resulting in a kill of 1000. Now you reduce those tags by 17% and you have 6000x.83=4980 tags if the success rate remains the same and one in 6 of those results in a kill you get 4980/6=830 deer killed. 830/100=17% |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
Eesh .... call me embarrassed. Your math works (hate to admit I'm an engineer now ) The point is, you can continue to reduce to the herd with less doe tags. Here in Steuben County, our harvest has dropped 40% in 2 years, and we were just trying to stay steady. And I still say that a 44% reduction in antlerless tags is substantial. |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
BTB - your comment about trial and error science is striking...it is that in many states. I really believe that the biologists will know so much more about deer management in 10 years then they do now.
I'm firmly in your corner here - as long as game departments appear to be making corrections to a dynamic problem, they have my support. It can be painful to watch, however. I sympathize (empathize?) with those who have drawn the very short end of the stick and are having difficulty even seeing deer. |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
It can be painful to watch, however. I sympathize (empathize?) with those who have drawn the very short end of the stick and are having difficulty even seeing deer. Our patience only gets short with the "put it back the way it was" crowd. I truly hope that the mentality of regarding any deer with 3 inches of bone on his head as somehow being "better than a doe" dies a quick death. Along with it the expectation of seeing 60-100 deer a day should also disappear. |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
This is a direct quote from an article in the Nov. 1983 PGN article regarding anterless allocations. " In yet another county ,where the allocations have been cut in half, the deer remaining after the season should be almost exactly the same as remained after the 1982 hunt. " So the PGC professionals agree that even a 50% reduction in the anterless allocations may not allow the herd to increase, so a 44% the 44% reduction in 2 G may in fact result in further herd reduction. But on a more positive note, the article also contained this quote, " Pa biologists probably as much about whitetailed deer ,its habitat and ability to survive under various conditions as any wildlife biologists in the country. PAis widely recognized as a pioneer in the management of the whitetail deer." So while some people have claimed the previous deer management in our state was a failure, the PGC was actually in the forefront aof deer research and modern deer management dating back to 1957 ,when annual anterless harvests were implemeneted. In 1983 we invaded Grenada In 1983 interest rates were just under double digits In 1983 the last M*A*S*H episode aired In 1983 Michael Jackson was in the news for his Thriller Albums long run at the top of the charts In 1983 the Russians shot down a SouthKorean ailiner full of civilians who strayed into their airspace What do all of the above "facts" have in common? NONE of them mean anything to deer management in Pa today and none of them have anything to do with this topic! |
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
In 1983 I was 25 years old.
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