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missed_another 05-02-2005 03:05 PM
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
 
livbucks did you actually think that you were the only one that thought the proposed goals were to high and that something would have to change. man your a legend in your own mind.

BTBowhunter 05-02-2005 03:14 PM
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i have harvested well over a hundred deer over the years and i didn't do it sitting on a stump. so i think you guys got me mixed up with someone from your dreams.
Missed another,

I was the guy who made the "sitting on the stump" statement and didnt direct it at anyone in particular. If it doesnt fit it wasnt directed at you but we all know those guys do exist and my personal experience has been that some of the loudest complaining I've witnessed has come from that type of hunter.

missed_another 05-02-2005 03:30 PM
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i was just killing three birds with one stone on that post. i know you posted that statement. i just didn't type everyones name in. i'll get ya next time. ha ha.. i'm just here to kill time.:)

thesource 05-02-2005 03:54 PM
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BTB and T3, take it down a notch.

I'm sure it has occurred to you that a man can scout like crazy, get his buck, and STILL be concerned about the lack of deer in his area.

Most of this discussion is driven out of a passion for deer and deer hunting, whichever side of the debate you happen to be on.

ddear 05-02-2005 04:06 PM
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Some vague hint that you are privy to facts not available to the rest of us just aint good enough. Till you prove otherwise, you are just another armchair biologist like most of us here.
Do you have the SM in each WMU and the percentage of forest and farmland? I do.
Do you have the number of 2.5+ harvested each year for the last 10 years? I do.
Do you have the number of BB harvested in the last 10 years.? I do.
Do you know how many anterless licenses were issued in 1983 and how many tags it toke to harvest an anterless deer in each county ? I do.
Do you know how many deer the PGC claimed a SM of pole timber could support in 1983?
I do. BTW, it's not what they claim today!

Do you know how many buck and anterless deer were harvested PSM in each WMU in 2003? I do.

The differnce between you and me is that I have the data to support my opinions and all you have is your opinions to support your opinions.

BTBowhunter 05-03-2005 04:59 AM
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
 
Do you have the SM in each WMU and the percentage of forest and farmland? I do.
Do you have the number of 2.5+ harvested each year for the last 10 years? I do.
Do you have the number of BB harvested in the last 10 years.? I do.
Do you know how many anterless licenses were issued in 1983 and how many tags it toke to harvest an anterless deer in each county ? I do.
Do you know how many deer the PGC claimed a SM of pole timber could support in 1983?
I do. BTW, it's not what they claim today!
So you say, however, when your sources have been questioned you reply with pages upon pages of your own concoctions. An old propaganda technique. You rarely cite a source for the numbers you post and the only source you cite occasionallly is the PGC and you selectively use those.
There are lots of experts every Monday morning in football season too. Simply declaring ones self as an expert just doesnt make it so.
As I said, just another armchair biologist with an opinion. An opinion you are most entitled to. You are not, however, qualified or entitled to refute the opinions of others.

BTBowhunter 05-03-2005 05:05 AM
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
 
BTB and T3, take it down a notch.

I'm sure it has occurred to you that a man can scout like crazy, get his buck, and STILL be concerned about the lack of deer in his area.

Most of this discussion is driven out of a passion for deer and deer hunting, whichever side of the debate you happen to be on.
thesource

No one said otherwise

I'm sure it has occured to you that a man can realize that the habitat cant continue to support an overpopulation while quietly wishing it still could.

Please try to read what was posted in its entirety. It is my personal opinion that most here, whichever side of this they're on, probably care more about the herd than the majority of hunters.

ddear 05-03-2005 06:28 AM
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So you say, however, when your sources have been questioned you reply with pages upon pages of your own concoctions. An old propaganda technique. You rarely cite a source for the numbers you post and the only source you cite occasionallly is the PGC and you selectively use those.
The source for all the data I post is the PGC. Just because those stats aren't always avaiable on the net doesn't make them invalid nor does the fact that I don't state in every post that the data is from the PGC. Also,applying simple math to PGC data does not make the results invalid.

An opinion you are most entitled to. You are not, however, qualified or entitled to refute the opinions of others.
In your opinion I am not qualified to refute other peoples opinions, but IMHO the stats I post qualify me to refute opinons that are not based on the facts.

Here is an example of some interesting PGC data that isn't readily available to everyone. It was provided by a WCO on another MB and compares the harvest in 2 G to the harvests in 2 C ad 5 B. Note that the harvests in 5C and 5 B are more than the OWDD gaols.

Data………………………………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦..2G………………………………†¦5B………………………………………5C
Square miles of land in unit………..4114.04………………………⠀¦2767.79………………………………2169. 73
Public land……………………..............(49.2%)â €¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.(1.4%)…………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦(0.5%)
Developed…………………………………0. 6%....................................6.7%........ .................9.9%
Forested…………………………………… 90.0%..................................27.6%...... ..................44.5%
Farmland………………………………….7. 6%....................................63.1%....... ................43.9%
Square miles of forest land………3702.64………………………… …..763.91……………………………965.53
Deer goal in deer/sq.mi…………….15……………………… …………………5………………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.6
Number of OWDD per/unit……..61,711…………………………†¦â€¦â€¦.13,839…………………………….13 ,018
Number OWDD/forested Sq.Mi….16.67……………………………… ….18.12………………………………13.48
Harvest for 2004……………………….17,200………… ……………………22,200………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..24,000
Harvest/sq.mile………………………….4.18……†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.8.02…………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..11.06
Harvest/ forested sq.mi…………….4.65……………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.29.06………………………… ………24.86

bearklr 05-03-2005 06:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: missed_another

bearklr i agree that "scouting" has to be done. and with the low number of deer it is the only way to "hunt". and this all works great if you are the only one in the area. but guess what your never the only one in the woods. and after the first day or two most patterns are out the door. i have harvested well over a hundred deer over the years and i didn't do it sitting on a stump. so i think you guys got me mixed up with someone from your dreams. anymore the deer hunting has started to remind me of turkey hunting. being that when the word gets out that some deer have been spotted in an area the hunters come out in groups. maybe some of you guys are happy getting a deer every few years but i actually shoot them to eat not just to end their life. or to be thrown in the freezer just to be put in the garbage can the following fall.
missed_another, I guess we hunt different areas because never in my life have I ever hunted an area where people flocked to a patch of woods as soon as someone "spotted" some deer. If this was the case there would be hoards of people in every parcel of land because they all hold deer. Granted, patterns change a few days into rifle season but then again I usually have one in archery so I don't have to deal with it too much. The point is that I just find the new patterns and use the other hunters to my advantage so I don't have to wait a few years to harvest a deer.

BTBowhunter 05-03-2005 09:54 AM
RE: PA Anterless Allocations
 
Here is an example of some interesting PGC data that isn't readily available to everyone. It was provided by a WCO on another MB and compares the harvest in 2 G to the harvests in 2 C ad 5 B. Note that the harvests in 5C and 5 B are more than the OWDD gaols.
What that is, is another example of citing some vague source "a WCO on another MB" for your facts. WHO? WHERE? Now, of course, you'll tell us you have no obligation to tell us the source of your information

In the absence of credible proof, your posts are merely opinions just like many others here.


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