3 Solutions for PA gloom and doom deer hunters.
 

Pa deer hunters. Its funny how there is so much negativity for everything PGC and other groups are trying to accomplish in PA. They are damned if they do or damned if they dont! I have 3 solutions if you dont like Pa hunting.
1------Get a organized group together to do something about it and not the USPDC. Saw that organization at the Sportsman show in Harrisburg. I dont want any part of them!
2------You can hunt another state.
3------Last but not least. NOBODY MAKES YOU HUNT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT DO IT!!!

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I think we'll leave this one at the Top for awhile.

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Looks like trouble makeing post to me![:-] [:@] [8D]

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You forgot number 4 bullmoose.

4-continue to persue the pastime you enjoy but at the same time try to improve the deer management issue.

Hunters said no to the foolish flor orange proposed regs and it didn't pass.I didn't hear anybody calling this group whiners.There are some problems in deer management and some people would like them addressed.If they didn't care about hunting they would simply quit.
And watch what ya wish for because the more hunters we lose the less numbers that lets us to fight the antis with.
Speaking of which,two large anti hunting orgs just combined forces.

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Anybody that suggests hunters should quit if they disagree with the deer management plan. IMHO is an anti-hunter.

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germain you made some good points. You stated how 2 large ati hunting orgs combined forces. As much as I hate to say. Both those groups combined to form 1 team to fight what they believe. Thats good team work. Thats what us hunters got to do also. We got to start working together with the PGC, DCNR, and other groups and form one team. The more numbers we have on our team the better chances of winning. Even if it means some sacrifices it what we believe.

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You have got to be kidding . You want us to work with the PGC that wants to reduce the herd statewide to 12 DPSM and DCNr that wants to reduce the herd to 8-10 DPSM and the Habitat Alliance that that wants to base the OWDD on the number of trilliums/SM.

What sportsman organization do you suggest we support ?

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Well you are not gonna win this battle by yourself. I thinkI proved my point now. The majority of Pa hunters are definitely greedy. Dont want to work with anybody. All they think about are themselves. Its all about what they want to see. Who cares if there are scientific ways to fix things. We want it done are way. And so on.......[&:]

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Please provide the facts that show WMU 5 C can only support 6 DPSM and 5B can only support 5 DPSM. Those two WMU's have some of the best habitat in the state and have the highest recruitment rates for any of the WMU's in the state even though both WMU's were triple there OWDD goal in 2003.

Then explain why the herd in 2 G has been reduced to 3 DPSM below its OWDD gaol of 15 DPSM. if you can do that you can resume your lecture to the uninformed.

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Where do you come up with these stats of what the current dpsm is? I have not read all of your threads, however have seen you rattle all sorts of numbers off and I am curious to know your source of this information. I am assuming the goal numbers are from the whitepapers that were released, which I also cannot source, can you provide links to that too?

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Here is the link to the PGC Annual report that provides the OWDD goals by WMU.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/p.../21001-02z.pdf

If for some reason it doesn't work,go to the PGC website ,click annual reports and then click on wild life management report, and deer. You can get the goals for each county by going back to 2001. if you can't find what you are looking for let me know. i'll only be to glad to help you find it.

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Bull I agree we all need to work together!! Be able to preserve our hunting rights should be first on any hunters list. However, common sense should tell you in order to work together there has to be give and take, compromise. In my opinion being able to hunt deer that are at a density of 5, 12 or 15 dpsm is better than not being able to hunt at all!!

ddear, I live in 5C and hunt both 5C and 5B, most of this land is private property or being developed. When I read the PGC report for the dpsm goals for the areas I hunt I was shocked. But thinking about it, there is no way the deer can be culled to 3 or 5 dpsm in this area. Too many houses and protected land. Just curious, do you know what the doe tags issued vs. doe tags filled % is for 5B and 5C?

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You can bash the Unified Sportsmen all you want but they were the only group that tried to stand up to the PGC and DCNR on the deer slaughter on public land, And if anyone don't believe it was a slaughter go walk a few miles on public land see for your self.
As for hunting in other states most hunters I know were not born with a gold spoon in their mouth, And I am one of them.
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White-tail-deer, I agree 100%. I live in 5b and there is noooo way they can get the dpsm down to 5. In fact that is absurd !!!! I also hunt in 2G where the dpsm is 12 and we hardly see a stinkin thing with 25 guys in camp. I can't imagine having 5 dpsm!!!! And to use the excuse that the land can't support that many deer is a joke. Some of the biggest deer I have ever seen have come from york county. A friend of mine took a doe 2 years ago that dressed out at close to 200 pounds !!!! It's all about money and who has it. Lancaster is one of the most developed counties in the state with tons of private land. There are more houses going up everywhere every day and I bet they want to cut the herd to rediculously low numbers so the developers can keep stuffing their pockets by buying up all the land and slapping in developments.

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This one came from 5B southern Lebanon co. on ( private) land, Not too shabby of a buck.

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Well losthorn we finally agreed on one thing.;) Thats one heck of buck!
Did that kid shoot it?

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No his dad did, His son was with him on the hunt I didn't get the whole story yet. The dad and my son are best friends, I will see if he will let me go with him next year. :D

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Here is what happened to the herd in Northampton Co. since 1999.


Buck Anterless OWDD
1999 2 1,471 1,158 64 DPFSM 22 DPSM
2000 2 1,463 2,470 57 DPFSM 19 DPSM
2001 6 1,325 2,406 43 DPFSM 14 DPSM
2002 2 1,273 2,457 29 DPFSM 10 DPSM
2003 --1,060 3,220


The PGC hasn't released the OWDD for 2003 or 2004 , but based on the increased anterless harvest in 2003 , the herd is now probably under 8 DPSM and the still are proposing adding another two weeks to the extended anterless rifle season in 5C.

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Lost Horn, I'm from columbia so we probably hunt the same areas. You probably think the same thing. Do you really think they can get the deer to 5 dpsm? I mean it sounds crazy to me and this picture is further proof of the fact that the area is more than capable of sustaining the current herd.

By the way, that's a nice buck. Where did he take it to get mounted. I actually go to e-town to Bob Witmer, he does great work on deer.

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bullmoose, I'll bet Double Bull is real proud to have you on the "prostaff"

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No they will never get it to 5 dpsm too much posted land and most of the people that own it will laugh at you if you ask to hunt on it. I have been walking a lot of the public land in Lancaster, lebanon and Dauphin Counties, My guess on those lands the herd is at about 3 DPSM.
I havent talked with him about who is doeing the mount yet but I would say it would be Bob Whitmer he is the best in the eria I think.

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wingbar They are as proud of me as I am as proud of being associated with Double BUll. Thanks for noticing... But try to get back on this topic.;)

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Just paddling along in the river of tears....


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Thank you ddear for taking the time to post that.It should be beneficial to some of the fellers on here.

In the meantime I'll keep rowing my boat in the river of hatred some fellow hunters are showing toward others.:D

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ddear, what is the dpsm at the end of the numbers showing? Carrying capacity, current levels??

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tHANK-YOU

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Why can't we all just get along? :D

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interesting Pic there lost horn!

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Yep I liked that one to, A friend sent it to me. I figure if they can get along we should be able to get along to.:)

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Who are you to say they are getting along? That picture could just as easily be about a dog circling his prey before going in for the kill.

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That's possible but I don't think that big old fat bog would be much of a match for that young duck.

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Once again gloom is pointed out. I bet that golden retriever is going to grab him by the neck and drown him. I bet that deer has CWD also. I bet it is loaded with lyme disease too. I once saw a golden retriever take down a bear!:D:);)

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I gotta go with the buck on this one.He has that "look in his eyes":D

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I had a lab that was about as gentle and non agreesive as they come ,at least i thought she was until we came across a crippled doe in a cornfield while hunting pheasants. In nothing flat she turned into a very vicious and blood thristy critter and I had to use the shotgun butt to beat here of that deer.

Besides , it is common knowledge that many dogs that are household pets become cold blooded killers if they get a chance to run deer.

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You are right dd but I thaught those two looked like friends. :eek:

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This is what makes me gloomy and doomy, when they die of old age!

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Now theres a pic to make a grown man cry!!!:(:(:(

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lived long die of old age hmmmmm guess everyone was filling doe tags instead of hunting him

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I hope I die of old age.The alternative stinks.:eek:

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Me too! Specially since it's way too late for me to leave a good looking corpse;)