deer: but you need to see some to hold anyone's interest. How long would you sit on the beach looking for 2 pcs and only see hairy potbellied old men?

I agree but not too the point where it was before.
I agree with that too, but I'm not ready to burn down the PGC as they try to figure out the best way to do this.

Some guys just want "THEIR" kids to be able to kill a buck, you know the type the guys that feel everyone but their kids should obey the rules afterall when the rules were written they really didn't mean his kids.

almost everyone I know wants to see AR work,they also agree for them to work EVERYONE needs to be on the same page of the rule book.
It is the hunt not the kill, if some father thinks his kid needs to kill then why hinder AR? take the kid to a game farm an let him blast one of those "wild boars" for the soup pot. WB

You're right about those reasons, but as for a "special" hunt..NO WAY!! They must at some point in life make hard decisions, as to which they'd rather be doing. I fully understand school activities,but creating any special season to accomodate school activities , is wrong.

Rem1100 you are correct there are enough special interest seasons right now. If a youth can't decide he wants to hunt by getting out during one of them he just doesn't want to hunt.
I'm not anti youth by a long shot but I do feel if you're old enough to make the descion to kill a game animal you're old enough to know you must plan your leisure time.
I also feel a youth should be taught to be happy with a doe if they don't see a AR legal buck. Too much pressure to produce antlers will result in a kid that drops hunting faster than going to football practice.WB

thats what we have all been told, that a doe is as much a trophy as any small buck. I wonder why they are sending youth a mixed signal?

my guess would be some guys talk out both sides of their face, they claim it is not about the kill so they only hunt trophy monster bucks and cull extra doe then send their own kids out and do a poor job of instilling their very own values. sad very very sad

What's sad is an adult hunter who rails against AR but since they have to abide by it demands that it be imposed on kids. He wants the good old days for himself but would deny a youngster the chance to shoot that first buck that he would shoot if given the opportunity. he would deny a kid the chance to take a smaller first buck. a chance, he himself, had as a kid.

Since Wingy, Uly, whoever he is today has all but named me here and suggested it's about my kids, I feel it important to note that my 15 year old has not shot a buck yet but has passed up some small, but, legal to him, bucks while he waits for a good one. So it's not about MY kids. Its about the drastic reduction in youth hunters.

Many here have said that we need ALL hunters. Well guess what?
All hunters will die someday and the only way to keep the numbers up is if we make the effort.

Special seasons and easier standards are only a small help but they also are statistically insignificant to the deer kill and it ought to be a cost we're willing to bear.

The best thing we all could do to help keep kids interested is to take em out in the woods. I know way to many hunting adults who just dont take their kids even when dad is going and the kid wants to go. If you dont have kids take a nephew, grandson, neighbor etc.

when I was a kid if I wanted to kill a buck,any buck I was competeing on a playing field with ALL hunters who had a crack at that buck. Unlike kids with the current AR whom only compete with other kids or servicemen.
Even Dr. Alt originally wanted EVERYONE under AR but it was Bruce Smith and a few other comm. whom lobbied for the current exclusions.
There is no sound management for AR that included allowing a special interest group to harvest a inmature buck.

MANY, MANY times I have stated I'm in favor of even stricter AR, put buck on a lottery draw, earn a buck programs,etc. FOR ALL AGE GROUPS!
I stand but what I previously wrote: if a parent thinks the kill is so important to the kids then take them to a game preserve if they need to kill a buck for sure, otherwise teach them to harvest a doe in WMUs that are over populated.WB

So, are you saying that with what, 60+ years to kill a buck of your choice, it now bothers you to let a forkie go by just for some 12 year old to shoot it and make the high point of his short life.

And are you saying that one of our military on leave, who maybe has a day or two to hunt, shouldnt get a little bit of extar consideration?