Antler Resctrictions in PA
#21
RE: Antler Resctrictions in PA
NateBook
It sounds like it is a good idea, but there are alot of things that people could do that would make it bad. First off, you might have hunters out there with shotguns shooting at deer like the shoot at rabbits. This would cause more deer to be injured than what already is happening. Second, there are so many differing terrains in Pennsylvania, that shotguns might cause more injuries. There are areas that are thick, there are areas that are open, there are waving hills, and then there are areas that are flat. Some hunters will take shots that could end up injuring other hunters, BUT, on the other hand, a slug has a smaller trajectory than a rifle, and some stray shots might fall short of injuring people. Third, it will probablly not be accepted by rifle hunters. Too many rifle hunters have too much money into a deer rifle. They aren't going to like having to buy a new shotgun with a rifled barrel and all the other accesories. They won't like having their 1,200 dollar rifle sitting in the corner collecting dust. Plus, I believe that slugs are very expensive. Rifle hunters wouldn't like having to pay more for slugs than they did for their rifle shells. Just a couple of my thoughts. This has brought up a new topic in my mind, I am gonna post it now.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
"Hunting is not a sport, it is a passion, it is a WAY OF LIFE"
It sounds like it is a good idea, but there are alot of things that people could do that would make it bad. First off, you might have hunters out there with shotguns shooting at deer like the shoot at rabbits. This would cause more deer to be injured than what already is happening. Second, there are so many differing terrains in Pennsylvania, that shotguns might cause more injuries. There are areas that are thick, there are areas that are open, there are waving hills, and then there are areas that are flat. Some hunters will take shots that could end up injuring other hunters, BUT, on the other hand, a slug has a smaller trajectory than a rifle, and some stray shots might fall short of injuring people. Third, it will probablly not be accepted by rifle hunters. Too many rifle hunters have too much money into a deer rifle. They aren't going to like having to buy a new shotgun with a rifled barrel and all the other accesories. They won't like having their 1,200 dollar rifle sitting in the corner collecting dust. Plus, I believe that slugs are very expensive. Rifle hunters wouldn't like having to pay more for slugs than they did for their rifle shells. Just a couple of my thoughts. This has brought up a new topic in my mind, I am gonna post it now.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
"Hunting is not a sport, it is a passion, it is a WAY OF LIFE"
#22
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Butler PA USA
Posts: 17
RE: Antler Resctrictions in PA
I just keep throwing the whole shotgun thing out there cause I can't believe that our large population of rifle hunters aren't going nuts threatening a revolution over this antler restriction idea. Here is my thinking...I'd have to guess that the average hunter in this state is a rifle hunter who probably hunts the first day, second day and the two Saturdays and maybe an occasional evening after work. That's about all the time he has. He is very lucky to see one flash of antler in a year and killing a buck of any size is a great year. Just about every buck he does kill is running full tilt across a mountain top or down a hollow, he's lucky to have enough time to see antlers and shoot. If now he has to only shoot a deer with four points on a side the odds of him killing a buck are slim to none. Even let's say in a couple of years we start seeing some larger racked bucks it is still very very unlikely that with a buck running full tilt a rifle hunter has the time to put the deer in his scope, be sure of the points and then shoot it. It's just not going to happen very often. I'd have to believe a lot of rifle hunters will go many years sometimes without killing a buck. And I can't think the average rifle hunter is really too concerned with quality deer management and killing bigger bucks, he's happy killing any buck. So, if I'm a rifle hunter right now and I know that one of PAs goals is to get some age on our bucks in general I'm thinking there are two realistic ways of doing this, antler restrictions or shotguns only and I'd be willing to buy a shotgun if I didn't have one and still be able kill any buck I see rather than use a rifle and only kill a buck with four points on it. that's just how I'd be thinking
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren PA USA
Posts: 1,512
RE: Antler Resctrictions in PA
The woods will be safer if....
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....i DON'T THINK SO.
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....i DON'T THINK SO.
#24
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Butler PA USA
Posts: 17
RE: Antler Resctrictions in PA
Hey, about the safety of the woods...I'm not debating that, I have seen some hunters do some crazy things and safety is not their top priority. I'm just saying how it is during gun season.
#25
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren PA USA
Posts: 1,512
RE: Antler Resctrictions in PA
Unfortunately, that is the way the rifle season is.
But it doesn't have to be. Shotguns can limit that, AR's will make people take the time to look.
The best part of these AR's is the hunt. People will be out there hunting again. Instead of setting up shoulder to shoulder getting ready for war. The folks that want a deer bad enough will find one. The others....well, they'll have to learn to HUNT!
But it doesn't have to be. Shotguns can limit that, AR's will make people take the time to look.
The best part of these AR's is the hunt. People will be out there hunting again. Instead of setting up shoulder to shoulder getting ready for war. The folks that want a deer bad enough will find one. The others....well, they'll have to learn to HUNT!
#26
RE: Antler Resctrictions in PA
It is truly unfortunate how some people don't follow what they preach. Alot of hunters talk about how safety is always first, then you go hunting in Pa on the first day and realize that safety is the LAST thing on everyone's minds. Just think about where the bullets from the guy sittin on a hill cracking off shots at spike running 300 yards away from are landing? It could be in a parked car, in someone's yard, in someones house..... The woods are too unsafe when the orange army sets out. A million hunters, with an average of 5 shells in each weapon. Hmm, thats 5 million bullets waiting to fly at the first sight of a deer.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
"Hunting is not a sport, it is a passion, it is a WAY OF LIFE"
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
"Hunting is not a sport, it is a passion, it is a WAY OF LIFE"