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BTBowhunter 07-29-2004 08:19 AM

RE: Smaller 2.5 Buucks
 

You support AR because you think it will make it easier for you to harvest a trophy and you don't give a rip about the 60 +K hunters that didn't get a buck due to AR in 2003.

So now you're going to tell me what I think eh? I won't extend the same discourtesy to you. I may guess at what you're thinking but I'll keep that to myself.

You still haven't told us why it was OK to go ahead and kill 6 of 7 BB's while you claim to believe that the higher BB kill is a problem. Did you intentionally set out to kill BB's in complete opposition to your stated beliefs or are you and your group simply not committed enough to your beliefs to inconvenience yourselves by taking the time to be sure about what you were killing?

livbucks 07-29-2004 08:52 AM

RE: Smaller 2.5 Buucks
 

Impementing AR was a major mistake because it elevated the status of harvesting a buck and made harvesting a doe the booby prize, which was the exact opposite of what Alt said he wanted to do when this all started
I don't know where it is that you hunt, but I have seen AR work in exactly the manner to which it was designed. Where I rifle hunt in Warren Cty. there are ALOT of people that hunt does and are very happy when they get one. I think that if you walked up to them after the hunt and said: "OH GEE, I SEE YOU SETTLED FOR A BOOBIE PRIZE, A DUMB DOE"
that you would get a surprise. I have seen larger bucks, and fewer does in both of my hunting areas, which are Warren and Allegheny Counties. Is that not EXACTLY the goal of Alt's plan?
In Allegheny, anything that shows itself in daylight hours is dead, no matter what sex...Huge numbers of antlerless hunters here and they don't think of a doe as a BOOBIE prize, trust me!

deaddeer 07-29-2004 08:54 AM

RE: Smaller 2.5 Buucks
 

You still haven't told us why it was OK to go ahead and kill 6 of 7 BB's while you claim to believe that the higher BB kill is a problem. Did you intentionally set out to kill BB's in complete opposition to your stated beliefs or are you and your group simply not committed enough to your beliefs to inconvenience yourselves by taking the time to be sure about what you were killing?
I have explained my position on numerous occassions but apparently you either can't comprehend that or simply refuse to accept. The simple answer is that where I hunt, controling the herd is much more improtant that creating trophy buck. There is no problem with the breeding rate or breeding ecology , the problem is the herd is to prolific.

The higher BB harvest is only a problem for those that want AR to succeed . The BB harvest has no negative impact on the health of the herd ,but it does effect the number of 1.5 buck that can be saved by AR and it also reduces the harvest of 1.5 buck.

Our group is committed to controling the herd for the benefit of all the farmers and home owners in the area , which is something that doesn't seem to concern you at all,since you prefer to add more over wintering deer to an overpopulated herd. Controling the herd in this area means harvesting any legal deer that presents the opportunity for a clean kill and that is what we do. It is legal,ethical and the best thing to do for the health of the herd and for the future of hunting in PA. Remember, Alt said that if hunters can kill enough doe, he would find a way to make sure enough deer are killed. I prefer hunters do the job rather than sharpshooters.


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