I was at my uncles the other day, and we got talking about antler restrictions. Well anyway hes telling me about all these big buck brought in and we took a walk back to the shop and let me tell ya, he never had that many big racks back there in a season. So I guess they are working. I saw the proof.

You haven't seen anything yet. Wait till next year when the real payoffs begin

sorry guys, i think that you are both mistaken. did it occur to you that you didn't necesasarily grow anything bigger, you just had to be pickier, so of course you will see a few more racks than normal of a larger size? next year? hahaha, you aren't gaining anything. you may have a few more bucks out there that got a year older than normal. that's all. nothing more.

That's what I was thinking. It made people wait for a larger animal, which obviously paid off. Everything I've read about QDM say's it takes about 5 years to really see the benefits so it should get better.

I'm glad because just got permission this year on some nice land in Pa.

You do have a point about having to wait for a legal one, but alot of these buck have good mass... NO they arent record bucks but they are very nice ones.

When you hunt the same areas for 15-20 years and see maybe 1-2 bucks with a 15" spread...and then go to seeing 5-6 of that size, I call that working. Granted it ain't going to start kicking out 150 class bucks, but it is doing what it was meant to and getting a group of bucks to the next year of life.

This is all seen during scouting, and has nothing to do with waiting on a bigger buck in season.

Wimp, Not trying to start an argument, ok just a question. In those 15-20 years you mentioned did you whack the first buck that came around and then quit hunting?

Sorry i read through it quick and skipped where you said you saw the deer during scouting.

point is - a 2.5 year old deer is going to have a bigger rack (normally) than a 1.5 year old deer; if (10) 1.5 year old deer make it to 2.5 years of age that wouldn't have the year before, that means there are 10 more deer with bigger racks for the next year

seems pretty simple to me

I wouldn't mind those rules in NY... I think....let's wait and see after 5 years in PA

Doughboysigep - not exactly.

While you are correct that AR may have saved those 10 bucks for next year. You also have to consider how many already AR legal bucks were killed this year. For example - what if 10 legal bucks were shot.

That would mean that AR did not actually save any bucks. It allowed smaller bucks to get a little bigger while thinning out the older bucks.

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