PA Doe Liscence Fiasco!!!
 

My hunting buddy recently told me that a fella who comes to our printing plant where we work to pick up paper to recycle told him that he also picks up paper from the post office in Clearfield or Dubois ( I can' t remember which) and they saw numerous bins of Doe applications that they couldnot deliver because the address label for the WMU fell off. I noticed mine did not stick very well and I taped mine on. Man if that happened to me I would be very pissed. I think that envelope is pretty dumb. You practicly need a Phd to figure it out. But I do feel sorry for those guys that their labels fell off.

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I don' t buy it.

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Actually, my first doe envelope label started coming off too so I taped it on as well. Now I hear that the scan machine won' t read the bar code through the tape!

Needless to say, I glued my label on the second envelope.

;)

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I' ve also heard that tape over the label isn' t a problem either.

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This is not a BS source. this is a very reliable source I heard this from and I had to tape my label on too because the glue on the envelope and label sucks.

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I don' t know why they didn' t just give us an address list on the bottom of the antlerless application just like the old county way. That would have solves the " not sticking" problem right away. I expect problems with new systems put into place, but this is terrible.

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its their mess up.....we will still get out liscense dont worry about it.....they just have to open them up to see waht WMU you applied for....they know its their fault if it is true and they will fix it.....they cant just not give them to us because its their fault....im not worried about it......its not like i forgot my return stamp and its my fault or something

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This state needs to stop buttering the politicians hand. I went in to Berks county courthouse yesterday for 5c over counter tag sales. No such think at that courthouse. Had to fill out a envvelope find a stamp and then the envelope got thrown in to big bin and sent to Harrisburg . What the hay,thats a lottery. I heard Chester courthouse did the same thing. But most county seats did what they were suppose to do. They took your application ,check and you could walk out with the actual permits in hand. The berks county courthouse said we will send them to you if you are one of the 5000 permits allocated for Berks county court house. That aint right,something stinks here. There were alot of mad people. But behaved in a good manor,considering the rip off

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Mauser06, I find your reasoning humerous to say the least. It' s so telling to hear it that way from you. You' re totally right though, if it' s " their" mistake you' re OK, but if it' s " yours" , you' re screwed. How can they set this double standard for themselves! If we make a mistake, you' re screwed, but if it' s their fault they' ll fix it. The entire selection process sucks and should be simplified! Just my 2 cents.

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Shouldn' t the blame be with the F&G Committee or the legislature and not the PGC since it' s the legislature that hasn' t changed the law to keep up with the times and kept the county treasurers in the loop?

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i just moved to PA from NJ last year. this is my first time applying for a doe license in PA. i applied for 3D and i saw that my check was cashed yesterday, does this mean i got my doe license? this may be the stupidest questioned asked on this board but i' m just so excited for hunting season that i need to know asap!!!!

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yes if they cashed your check that means you followed the many rules correctly and you will get it in the mail someday between now and..january lol...ive never heard of them not having them out before october but some do take their good ole time...and hale....i do agree with you...it really does need to be simplified.....if you happen to mess up one of like 10 rules your chance is blown....then unless you call you dont find out for a while to send it back in!!!...but thats probally one of the best ways to do it so its first come first serve and mailing back is simple and everything.....

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Yeh, but what happens when they issue all the allocated permits and your stuck holding the bag.

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Gee, now I understand why they need to simplify the FO regulations. If you guys can' t follow the directions for an anterless application then you surely can' t look at the pictures in the hunters digest and figure out how much FO you need to wear.

Heck, there' s even a check list on the envelope for you to follow.

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T_in_PA, I don' t think the application process is that difficult. The fact that there is a checklist should be an indication that it is a PROCESS. The system should be removed entirely form the county government as it is no longer regulated by county. The turn time to receive the tags is rediculous in my opinion. I send it in at the beginning of August, and don' t ever receive a tag until the 3rd week of September because the county treasurers wait until the last minute to put them in the mail....at least around here. Personally, since we have a drastic over population of does, I think we should get a doe tag with our license. Not real sure how they' d issue them for different areas, but I think it' s an idea that should be explored.

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T in PA2,

I am glad to hear your earlier comments as I did follow all of the directions and hope to receive both of my doe tags in the near future.

As for the FO requirements, well, that is one of the few issues that really actually get to me on a personal level. It shouldn' t but it does.

The solution would be rather simple actually. Don' t overlap any seasons in October with archery. No overlap, no orange. :D See simple. ;)

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Why do you need it any earlier than late September? You can' t hunt then anyhow.

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Me too. I' m an archery hunter and a flintlock hunter. I just can' t see hunting the late season with FO orange. It just doesn' t mix well with the buckskins. :D

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Oh, I agree totally. It would just clash miserably.

:D

I am assuming you mean the tags? If so, then, yes, you are totally right....and I have no problem receiving them whenever they get to me. Maybe you read too much into my comment about the " near future" . I just meant sometime in the next few weeks. No biggie on that point.

I would chalk most of the comments on this thread up to fear and anxiety because of the new system. Anytime that we are forced to embrance something new and " unknown" then there is going to be some apprehension.

Next year, if it is the same process, I am sure things will be looked upon differently.

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Was from Jason' s post. He was complaining about not receiving them till the third week of September.

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HOLLY CRAPOLY GUYS[:o] What a mess!!!!!

I just go to Sports Authority - show them my Drivers Lic - pay my $$ - and get a print out of all my permits - doe' s - buck - bear - turkey - Management etc. etc.

over and done in 5 min.:D

I feel for you[&:]

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Whay does over the counter Tags mean ??? I go to wallmart and buy something and pay them I recieve the item over the counter. I dont expect they will send it to me in the mail at my expense some month later. The second sale of over the counter sales in the unlimted units did not work that way in some county treasures office, People took off work stood in line for hours then there appllication was thrown in a box and told with the proper stamps if choosen ,it will arive in 3 weeks. Good grief If I bought a hamburger at burger king over the counter and recieved it thru the mail in 3 weeks I would starve ,then die of spoiled meat.

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Again, why do you need the anterless tag NOW? You don' t. Your application is in. You will receive it before the season starts.

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T,

Just out of curiousity, what can you come up with against starting the entire doe application process earlier than the first Monday in August?

Genuninely curious not being argumentative.

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T, I don' t NEED it any earlier than the start of archery, but I don' t see what takes 6+ weeks. Some people get their tags back before the first round of surplus can be applied for. Some, myself and many others, don' t receive a tag until a week before the season. There' s inconsistancy and for no good reason. If some of the CT' s can get those tags out early then they all should be able to. I just want it back for convenience sake. I had to buy my license in July so I could apply in August....why does it take ~7 weeks for me to get my tag back? As it stands right now my check hasn' t been cashed and I haven' t received my application back. What' s the deal? Did I fill something out wrong? I doubt it, but it' s possible. I did go over the almighty checklist on the back and everything matched up. Why isn' t there a better system in place? All this paper through the mail cannot be the most efficient way!

Rack-Attack, I wish it were that simple here. You have to buy a back tag and then " accessorize" with a bunch of other tags. Doe tags have to be sent in to Harrisburg, then back to a county treasurer in the WMU you' re in, then back to you! You must get a seperate tag for muzzleloder, archery, migratory game bird, and Federal duck stamp if you wish. None of these additonal tags are neccessary unless you want to hunt those seasons. Doe tags are first come first served lottery. All other tags are unlimited in quantity which means everyone that wants a license will get one, but only one. The back tag is your buck tag. You are allowed one buck per year....doesn' t matter what season. ONE, period. Archery tag only gives you the right to hunt in archery season with archery tackle....no deer tag of any kind. Same with muzzy.

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T_in_PA2, The point is over the counter is over the counter. They line up with all the other rotten lying politicians in this country. I was raised to say what I will do and do it no matter what. And no I have no guarantee I will recieve them tags. If they get to some guys application that dropped it off a 4:59 ,mine that I stood 2 1/2 hours for and they run out and give the last to the later dude I dont get one. Good if he does,but over the counter is that over the counter. It is the principal!!!! This country and families are based on truth and principals. And in my opinion the Politicians,federal , local including the PGC would not know if they tripped over a pile of truth and principals . Dont get me started on The PGC ,them cowards stopped and stoled a Iowa set of horns off my house wall a month ago. Did not have enough gonads to knock and inquire where they were from. They did not contact me ,give me a citation for what ever.But they called the local cops to tell them incase I reported a theft it was them. My son in law is a cop here. COWARDS. They had no right to do that. They dont own every deer in the country. Plus any idiot could of seen it was a midwestern deer. Just like 4 years ago I had a commercial store bought fur collar on the porch. I was trying to get the moth ball smell out of it. It had a store label in it from the forties. The same idiot had my wife in tears ,threatening to take her to jail for a illegal fur. All took place on the first day of bow season.They had nothing better to do??? It took a mature warden from Chester county to tell the idiot it was a fake mink fur collar sold at Saks of fifthe of avenue. I dont much respect them at all. There are some good ones,but the higher big wigs are nothing but political pawns trying to make a name for themselves. This dude did ,its called a idiot and theif.

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quote]what can you come up with against starting the entire doe application process earlier than the first Monday in August? [/quote]

Not sure I' m following you here PA. Are you asking me what I have against starting the application process before August?

Jason,
There are 67 different county treasurer offices in the state. Each have different workloads and the resources to handle them. I' m sure that one ct office can handle the applications quickly while others cannot because of other duties that come first. I don' t see what the problem is as long as you get your tag before archery season starts.

Cardeer,
If the county took your application and you get a tag in the mail, what' s the problem? Does Chester Co.( or whatever county you went to) have the resources to commit people to nothing but processing anterless tags while people wait? Probably not. Again, there is other business that needs done that day. It' s called priorities and anterless tags are not one for that day. The collect the applications and will mail out the tags before October.

Beyond that it seems like you have some other issues of your own.

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Yes, exactly.

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I think most of you are missing the point of the thread. A few facts.
1. A whole bin full of applications sitting in the post office because the LABLE FELL OFF.
2. Only so many tags issued per WMU.
3. There are already WMU' s that are sold out.
4. If there is something wrong they leave no time for corrections.

It' s not a hard process, any rock can figure it out. The point is not knowing until it' s too late. Oh and by the way the C/T' s have not been cut out of the picture completely, they still get a cut of the fees. I also don' t see the point of having to mail the application to Harrisburg, just to get forwarded to the appropriate C/T for each WMU. Either let the PGC do it from a central location or let the C/T' s do it.

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They cashed my check for the first one ..Bill

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PA,

I don' t care when they start the application process. Not sure where you are going with this and how it relates to the topic.

thndrchiken,
Just a rebuttle.
1) Hearsay, not fact. Show me a newspaper article or something to back the story up. Until then, it' s all hearsay. Might as well be internet urban legend. I' ve prepared three applications as of last night. I can' t see how that label is coming off.
2) No arguement
3) No arguement
4) If you follow the directions how can you make a mistake?

The people we ever hear from are the few minority that are never satisfied. Mean while there' s hundreds of thousands of other hunters out there receiving their tags with no problems.

Btw, if you didn' t get a tag in an area you wanted check to see if a DMAP zone is close by. There is 16,000+ DMAP tags available in the state that is in addition to the regular anterless and bonus tags.

By October rolls around I will have applied for one anterless tag, two bonus tags and three DMAP tags.

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I understand that completely, but it still shouldn' t take nearly two months. I realize this new system is gong to have some bugs to work out. I guess I' m comparing it to another state application....vehicle registration. It only takes 3 weeks for them to get the registration sticker back to me and there are more drivers in this state than hunters....granted there are 12 months worth of stickers. Anybody know how many drivers thare are in this state? I would bet more than 12 million. I just want to know what takes so long for a number to be recorded and a tag stuck back in a prepaid envelop and stuck in the mail.

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I' ll also agree that the label falling off is not documented anywhere. It' s nothing more than gossip as far as I' m concerned, but there is always the " what if" factor!;):D

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I will admit that this is a story told to me through a friend , but the source is very reliable. Second most I personally had to tape my label onto my application envelope. and I have spoken to many friends and others who had to do the same thing. Which leads me to belive that this is highly possible. I will bet any amount that there are bins sitting in post offices around the state that have doe liscences in them that can' t be delivered. And when people find out that their label fell off and now their wmu is sold out they won' t have their doe liscence. And most of us don' t have the luxury of being able to have many hunting spots in different wmu' s or the time off of work to be able to travel to a different wmu.

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You know how many yellow envelopes you can fit in a postal bin? A bunch. I thinking of the white plastic like bins that offices use to give their out going mail to the post office. Even the trays could hold hundreds. But " bins" ?? Multiple bins at one post office?

Now sure, I bet a post office may have a bin to place dead letters in. But no way do I see there being a problem that involves hundreds of applications at one location.

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T, initially I would have to agree with you on point 1, until I just got off the phone from my cousin who does live in Clearfield. The label on his application did fall off and fortunately for him his next door neighbor works in the post office and fixed it for him. While I do agree with you that there probably aren' t as many there as it sounds like there are some. I do have to agree with you though that the people making the biggest stink are the ones who aren' t happy with anything. Not trying to stir the pot jus voicing my opinion and that is what this board is for, isn' t it? I know that if I don' t get my tag for that reason I will be very unhappy.

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Correct me if I' m wrong, but if the label falls off won' t the envelope be returned to the " return address?" I mean, that' s part of the reason we put our return address on it, isn' t it?

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If a label falls off in the post office does, and no one is there, does it make a sound? :D

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The answer would be...no. :D

T in PA2,

Where I am going with this is rather simple. If the application process were to start a bit earlier then many of the hunters who show some concern over " where their doe tag is" might be somewhat satiated if their application were to get back to them with more time left before the season.

And, though not directly related, one of the reasons that I was hearing for a refusal to start the archery season a week or two sooner was that the county treasurers would not have enough time to get all of the doe tags back prior to the start of the season.

Just something I was curious about.

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Frank, if we removed the county treasurers completely (since there really is no reason to use them) then the PGC could handle it all and the turn should be quick...maybe make a few part time jobs for a month too.

I' m not so much worried about it coming so late as I am wondering what take so long to get it back to me. I just don' t understand why it takes almost 2 months. Maybe the PGC should get some computerized thing going. That would be nice!