PA mountain lions (govt. putting them in) (lime disease)
 

i was wondering how many of the guys that hunt in Nw PA and NC PA and have seen mountain lions. i saw one when i was 12 fishing with my friend on oil creek. Also if any of you know of limes disease, since they cannot find a cure, there plan to help get rid of it was to destroy deer populations, which i think may be part of how many doe tags are being sold. Also to help get rid of deer populations to get rid of limes disease, do you think that may be why they supposedly put mountain lions in?
any body that hunts northern knows that the deer population is suffering very bad.
( i just had to bring in Limes Disease into it because my mother passed from it a couple months ago, and me and my dad are doing some research about it and deer populations, etc.)

i do think everyone who hunts should be very weary of ticks on them, be sure to check yourself right when you get out of the woods everytime.

extinct
 

Huntingkidpa....

Hey you DO know that the Eastern Mountain Lion is now extict right? Govmt took them off the "endagered species list" and said they no longer exsist! LOL I just cant wait to tell that to the 2 we have roaming our hunting area in SE Virginia.

Alittle story for ya.... they don't exsist right? so they don't have a season right? and if they don't exsist and dont have a season why cant you shoot them? But it was a few years (10 or so) ago that a local near our property finally got a shot at the one that was eating his livestock. Killed it clean and just left it where he got it in the woods. A few days later there were hords of Game & Inland Fisheries people roaming all over his property, knocked on his door and asked where the mountain lion was. Well he showed them cause he just killed it like he would of anyother predator harming his cattle. Well seemed that even though they don't exsist, the DGIF planted the lions in the area with tracking devices on them, and once the body temp went below a certain temp (dead) the xmttr would shut off, clueing the DGIF that the cat was either killed or died and they would come lookin... dunno if theres a moral to the story... but its a story nevertheless.

Cheers....

Once again stories without the first bit of any type of evidence other then hearsay.

:happy0157: Dude, Really???? it was just that... a story... no factual evidence was presented, quoted or stated...

The part about the eastern mountain lion going on the extinct list... well thats a fact.
http://www.allaboutwildlife.com/amer...d-extinct/5740

Where is the PGC getting the cats you claim they are stocking? What western state is trapping cougars and selling them to other states that need to reduce their deer herd?

yet no pic

Yes that is the funny thing about these mountain lion threads. 100% of them result in NO pics or facts. hmmmmmmmm wonder why.

I read a similar article in the May edition of Fur Fish and Game. And like it said if they exist a self-sustaining population of wild cougars would leave signs; tracks would be found in snow every winter; images would be captured by the hundreds of thousands of trail cameras that now dot eastern forests; a few would get hit by cars. Ones that escape from captivity are possible. But with out proof its all speculation.
As far as lymes goes I can't see elimination of deer solving that problem. Not just deer ticks carry the disease, and there are plenty more hosts for the ticks other than deer. Btw I had lymes 2x in the last 5 years. Its not nice they always go for the groin area.

Deer are primary spreaders of lymes disease,
not all ticks carrying the virus have lymes disease,
for lymes disease to occur,
tick must travel from rodent, to deer, and virus in the 2 bloods must mix,
combination of the 2 is what helps lymes disease develope,
a tick that doesnt travel to both, say from it travels from rodent to cattle, does not develope lymes disease,
so reducing deer pops, does reduce amount of ticks carrying lymes disease

Its not because the body temp drops, its because its not moving anymore. ;)

Ok, so if the dead cougar had a tracking device on it, why would anyone need to ask the farmer where the cougar was?

i saw young cougar in pottersdale,pa area of western clinton county.all reported to PGC and they said,SPROUL YOU DID DESCRIBE A YOUNG COUGAR TO US BUT WE ARE TOLD TO TELL YOU THEY DONT EXIST.
i was close enough that he did growl at me just like penn state lion does at football games.

color and way it runs will be something that you will never have seen before in woods.

no way it even looks like bobcat.

Still no pics?

I doubt if the Game Commission is stocking cats, although near me in Berks County, the cops and fire companies were trying to run one down that had grabbed a couple pets. They had the tracks and put dogs on it but I never heard of them getting it. It was assumed someones illegal pet got loose. Anyway, if the Commission is stocking, I would not worry about it. The Game Commission has a bad track record with anything they did for the last couple years. In other words, they will screw it up!

This is always a heated subject in Pa.I dont believe the PGC released any here but I do believe they are here.If 1 sneaks up on me and bites me in the behind I promise I will post a photo.

Everyone is always wanting to see pics. Sure it would be nice and validate a sighting (but then the skeptics would say that it wasn't taken here, there, where ever). Heck, I seen several bears, coyotes and two bobcats that I wish I could have gotten a pic of. But in all honesty, I bet so have many of you. And how many times did you have your camera with you, or have had time to get it out and take a pic?
I'm an optimist. I will not say that there are cougars here or not. And true, eastern cougars are extinct but their western cousin is alive and well and could be migrating east as the coyotes did. And we all know that there are coyotes just about everywhere now whereas 30 years ago they were very rare.

very well said.IF PGC WOULD HAVE SHOWED INTEREST IN COUGARS,WE WOULD HAVE HAD PICS.
if i saw one ,you can bet they have.

cougar went 3 states to subs of chicago and was shot by a small town police officer.some said,OH IT WAS TAME CAT.IT WAS SHOT 3 STATES AWAY AND BROUGHT HERE.

well it was WILD CAT AND VERIFIED SHOT IN SMALL SUB NEAR CHICAGO.in fact they shot another one.
this first cat came over 3 states away to chicago.the best part he did it in 9 months.
way over 1,000 miles.all VERIFIED BY US WILDLIFE GROUP.

i remember when i saw my cougar i said, I FEEL THESE CATS ARE GOING FROM STATE TO STATE which is making it hard to keep track of them.

many on here laughed at ole sproul.

i know what i saw.i saw COUGARS tooths on front after he growled at me,THAT IS HOW CLOSE I WAS TO this cougar.

no way in world a bobcat even comes close to looking like cougar.
its like rattlesnake,you will know its not TAME snake when you see a rattler.

OK - still no pics OR any physical evidence of any kind.

OK, at least you did not say i did not see a cougar.that IMPROVEMENT:poke:

do google of cougar hit by car in milford,ct.a cougar was hit by car and killed. no one believed the people that saw it.sort of like pa,THEY DONT EXIST.
one i saw at 15 ft was more TAWNY than that one.

there is your pic:groupwave:

The pic of the mountain lion is on todays CNN web site, along with the story. It was hit by a car in Conn.

And that proves all the 1000's of alleged sightings in NY and Pa are true? Has it been determined whether or not the one killed is a wild one or a released/escaped pet? With the number of alleged sightings, you would think we would be dodging them all over the roads - after all they appear to spend little time in the woods where 10's of thousands of trail cams never get a picture.

when i was 12 fishing with my friend on oil creek.


Oil Creek was a great place to fish above the refineries. Especially around the Rynd Farm area. Grndmother used to live up there in Rouseville. Was raised right up at the top of the hill from that creek. Yes there were mountain lions back then as I saw two or three of them when fishing and hunting. They are still being seen in that area so anyone who says they are exinct needs to look a little harder. VCHS 69

So just because no one can provide you with a picture it means that they do not exist? to bad but who the heck cares if you believe them or not. When someone did give you a refernce you scoffed at them. So now you know why no one can prove they are there. All becasue you do not believe. Sorry Charlie many more DO believe.

Impossible to prove a negative. The burdan of proof is on those claiming there is a viable WILD population here in the NE. Even better, how about a shred of proof that any state game department has released them - as suggested by the original poster.

Just asking for proof from the 1000's of alleged sightings in the east.
Apparently the ML's in the east are like vampires - they can be seen, but their picture
cannot be taken and they leave no physical (scat, hair, tracks, etc) evidence of any kind.

There has been no determination that I have read about the one in CT as to whether it was wild or a released/escaped pet. Until then, it simply is not proof of wild ML in the NE.

If they are still being seen in Oil Creek after all these years, then there is no reason someone has not gotton some kind of physical eveidence to back it up. Would love to see it posted.

well said.if the game commissions say they are here,THEY ARE IN FOR A LOT OF HEADACHES.
this may be why they say they are now extinct.then they must PROTECT them and make areas wild for them etc.

unreal. simply unreal

5 years ago here in clinton county,pa. we had a lot of sighting.now, i have not got 1 sighting report of cougar, not 1.
isnt that strange too.hmmmmmmmmm.

all of sudden, no sightings.with all gas drilling we should be getting sighting more now.

cougars are not staying put is my opinion what is going on.this is what is making it so hard to get fix on them.

wild cougar going over 1,000 miles in 9 months to chicago PROVED what i have been saying for longtime.

But you do not havve apicture so you must be wrong. Darn how many people carry a camera with them all the time and are ready to take a picture of a sighting. Yep no picture, no proof, extinction is proven. RIGHT!!!!

How many game camera's are in the woods? A adult ML must kill a deer a week to stay fed, the kill area is very distinctive.

If the PA, gov't was releasing them and someone gets hurt/killed the lawsuit is going to be huge. tHay have to hold hearings before they take on a project like that.

i dont believe PGC released cougars. but i do believe they are migrating too pa.
as for cougar eating. i believe also they are eating smaller game than deer. one i saw it was after something and i saw no deer.
i believe it was after a squirreal,just guess because i never saw anything but cougar was running ,then stopped and turned its head and was shocked i was there 15 ft away.

According to the IL DNR, there has not been a confirmed sighting of a mountain lion in IL. A few years ago, one was shot and killed in Roscoe Village. Trail cams have pictures. Yet, they claim there has not been a confirmed sighting in the state since the late 1800's early 1900's.

if COUGARS are confirmed,then they must protected,regulated, areas set up so they can exist,taken off the extinct list.
GAME COMMISSIONS SEE A BIG PROBLEM IF COUGARS ARE CONFIRMED WILD.
they dont want that.

In IL, mountain lions are considered an invasive species and is not protected. At least, it was not protected as of last year. However, the IL DNR still denies any exist in the state. I guess the one killed by Chicago PD was a phantom.

we had BLOOD SAMPLE of that cougar that proved it was wild and went over 1,000 miles in 9 months.
he cut his foot in barn from his home state and that was proof that he made trip.

MANY laughed at me when i had reason that its so hard to pin down a cougar seen locally.
they are on move.i really believe they are not eating deer.i feel they are eating smaller animals like rabbits etc.

this may be why dead deer are not being found.