PA Hunters
11-17-2010, 07:39 AM
#32
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
Here is a quote from the MDWFP.
"MDWFP DEER COMMITTEE
Chad M.Dacus
Deer Program Coordinator
(601) 432-2177 • [email protected]
William T.McKinley
Regional Deer Biologist
(601) 582-6111 • [email protected]
Chris McDonald
Regional Deer Biologist
(601) 757-2313 • [email protected]
Why not the 4-Point Law?
Research conducted by the MDWFP and Mississippi State University indicates the 4-point law has reduced
the antler size of harvested 2.5 and 3.5 year old bucks across the state. Researchers and biologists believe the
4-point law allows the harvest of better quality yearling bucks, while protecting lesser quality spikes and 3-
point bucks. The result has been a decrease in antler size within age classes of older bucks. The combination
ofthe 4-point law, high hunting pressure, and lower reproduction has resulted in the over-harvest of bucks and
decreased antler size in deer herds across Mississippi.
To correct these problems, quality yearling bucks must be allowed to reach older age classes. Antler
restrictions that protect a high percentage of 1.5 year old bucks while limiting the high-grading of 2.5 year old
bucks are needed. This protection will prevent over-harvest of bucks and improve antler size as bucks get older.
These protected bucks will also improve skewed buck:doe ratios, resulting in a shorter breeding season. A
shorter breeding season will provide a more uniform fawn crop with regards to future body weights and antler
production. "
11-17-2010, 08:01 AM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
The deer did not have a huge negative impact on the herd as you claim nor did it have a huge negative impact on the quality of the habitat across huge areas of the state. The fact that breeding rates and productivity did not increase as the herd was reduced ,proves beyond all doubt that the herd was still well below the MSY carrying capacity in 2001. What changed was that in 1999 SCS audit required that DCNR reduce the herd in order to get their forests certified.
11-17-2010, 08:59 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
That only applied to oak stands in the NC counties. During the period from 1980 to 2000 thousands of acres were harvested on private land a virtually none of it was fenced by it still regenerated. Furthermore, after 80 years of over browsing we still have a lot more forested acres than we did in 1940,which means there was a whole lot of regeneration going on at much high deer densities than we have today and DCNR is still fencing their oak cuts.
11-17-2010, 11:08 AM
#35
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 728
bluebird2
Thanks for the info. I hunt 5300 acres that me and my family either own or lease and we have a 3.5 year old rule. A buck has to have a minimum of 8 points and at least a 16 inch spread or better before we shoot it. We have had this in place for 10 years and we see some really nice deer
Thanks for the info. I hunt 5300 acres that me and my family either own or lease and we have a 3.5 year old rule. A buck has to have a minimum of 8 points and at least a 16 inch spread or better before we shoot it. We have had this in place for 10 years and we see some really nice deer
11-17-2010, 01:45 PM
#37
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 728
Thats crazy. We shoot some doe's every year to put meat in the freezer but only shoot
the older bucks. Now we do have a block of 319 acres that is about 10 miles from the rest of our land and we have no restrictions on it. We use it mainly to take our kids so they can shoot whatever
the older bucks. Now we do have a block of 319 acres that is about 10 miles from the rest of our land and we have no restrictions on it. We use it mainly to take our kids so they can shoot whatever
11-17-2010, 02:05 PM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
Needless to say I envy you. Your MDWFP has conducted the best test of APRs of any state in the country and was willing to admit that it did not produce the results predicted by their computer models. PA used MS computer models to justify implementing APRs in PA but will not admit that high grading is a potential problem even though our APRs save a lot fewer 1.5 buck than MS APRs.
11-17-2010, 04:37 PM
#39
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Midlo, Va
Posts: 561
Love the way somethink itis OK to insult other hunters just because they think they are the superior hunters and can lord it over them because the superior ones hunt with controlled property and manyother benefits. That makes it OK for them to insult the NORMAL hunter who must hunt where eveand only when they have time from work. These same hunters insult their felloow sportsman that they do not know, have no idea of their skills or capabilities or anything else about them but they feel it is OK the degrade them. So yes DougE and others you do stick your feet in your mouths by not going to 5C and hunt to prove your point. Instead you sit in your hunt clubs and think you are a normal everyday hunter. Guess what you are the one who is wrong as you can not prove their is no problem inb 5C.. Go there and hunt a season on public game land then tell us how many deer you shot. But that won't happen becasue you feel you are the better hunter. Prove it.
