NYBowhunters association hangs with the enemy?
 

hunters who support the option to hunt with crossbows in NY state please read, take special note to the next to last paragraph, the NY bowhunters association is standing out in a lobby shoulder to shoulder with an anti hunting group that also believes crossbows should not be an option for NY hunters, how appropriate huh???
http://www.registerstar.com/articles...d893809425.txt

My Favorite part of the article - please read it all:

I doubt NYB is in league with the PETA freaks but it doesn't surprise me that their actions would catch up with them. They are their own worst enemy.

Wow, some people will believe everything they read. NYB joining anti-hunters HAHAHAHA. I think its rather obvious the lack of facts is pure political B.S. It's pretty amazing how far some so called sportsman, and politicians will go to get what they want. Hey they lost this fight, so lets print a b.s. article to try ruining the main organization against the X-bow for the next round. Yup thats what I call being true sportsman right there. Heck the so called 1 man, no membership organization NYCHA has been calling NYB anti-hunters for awhile now. So I guess it must be true. Great info there sit in tree's. I think its time you woke up, and smelt the coffee my friend!

oh yea then why is the anti hunting website thats trying to stop crossbows in NY written word for word to the NY bowhunters assc websites BS, yea REALLY, go google it all the same BS about wounding and bringing more unskilled hunters into the woods, and the same unfair advantage song, and crossbows being like rifles crapolla word for word!!! i am certain that the NY bowhunters just copied and pasted the anti crossbow stuff right from PETA'S and the HSUS'S website because it fits their agenda perfectly, and thats hurting hunters in NY!!!
oh and by the way the battle isnt over by any means, bills are still pending and have more support this year than ever....

I'm dead set against Xguns in archery season.Guess I should go join PETA immediately!!!!

go for it.

What is a Xgun? CrossBOWS where in wide use hundreds of before guns and the word gun where invented. In use even longer then before the 90% plus letoff, scoped, trigger shot compound bow was invented by those not willing to do the work to be a "2 season hunter" (Fred Bear's promo) with the bows the seasons where started for.

If every anti crossbow hunter used traditional bows and wanted the compounds put in the gun season as well, I could see their point.

"If every anti crossbow hunter used traditional bows and wanted the compounds put in the gun season as well, I could see their point."

I love trad bows.For years all I ever hunted with was the longbow.Putting compounds (yes I have one) in gun season wouldn't bother me in the least :cool2:.

Steve, at least we know who they sleep with. Out of pure desperation they are associating with the enemy of all hunters. They must be fans of Pope Leo I who met with Attila the Hun, guess what happened!

crossbows suck thats alls to it

Compounds suck - gee this is an easy game to play.:s1:

Oh I guess we all gotta live the way you do, huh?:rolleye0011:Tell me, do I have to wear boxers or tighty whitys?

I love the attitude " If I dont like it it sucks" or " If I dont use it, ban it". I guess you guys wouldnt oppose a ban on guns you own, because some douche bag lobby didnt like them.

Selfish hunters sicken me:s6:

There's nothing selfish about it.Maybe the real question here is how much easier do you need it to get to kill a deer with a bow?The only reason we have a bow season is because it's SUPPOSED TO BE HARDER!!!Why can't you understand and accept that?Same holds true for ML season.There was a time when you could only use PRB's and no scopes allowed.It was harder back then as it was meant to be.What's allowed these days eliminates any justification for a so called "primitive weapon" ML season.

Do you really think the weapon is the only thing that determines what makes a hunt difficult? IMO it has alot more to do w/ the stage of the rut, the weather, the terrain, the population, availability of food, the skills of the hunter himself,the access to private land etc...
The way I see it a broadhead through a deer does the same thing, no matter what launched it. I mean does it really make that much difference, if some hunters would be able to theoretically shoot a few xtra yds, or not have to actually draw before shooting? I dont think Id have many more rack on my wall if I had a Xbow on my archery season hunts.

Personally, I shoot a compound, and probably will continue to, even if X bows become legal, because that is what I prefer, but I will not support any restrictions on perfectly suitable weapons for hunting, we have enough weapons restrictions in this state, i want less, not more!

Not having to draw makes a huge difference as does greater reach and the ability to shoot with a rested aim.Even with the most accurate rifle on earth shooting well off hand is far more difficult and your accurate range drops tremendously.I certainly agree that weather/wind/terrain and such play a huge role but that has nothing to do with the topic we're discussing.All that applies regardless.The folks that worked hard to establish our bow seasons did so for their love of archery.Not because they felt there were to many restrictions in place.They simply wanted to use their longbows and recurves for hunting as well.That was their true motivation.They had no agenda in mind to go beyond that.

so why shouldnt xbows shooters be given the same consideration? you cant rightly exclude weapons because you dont like them, or think theyre too easy to use. the only thing that should matter is that it will sufficiently kill a deer. the theoritical few xtra yds is not gonna make that much difference, and as far as not being able to be detected while drawing the bow, a compound or longbow shooter could easily accomplish the same thing w/ a blind. Xbows are also just as safe to use in urban hunting situations as compounds so I really dont see much logical argument against them.

I personally hate the use of blinds with any weapon.I do think crossbows are a very viable and effective tool for managing deer in urban enviroments.Pa first allowed their use in our special regulation units around the urban areas of Pitt and Philly.

I'm not totally against their use.Just in the bow season.IMO-They should create a separate x season either following bow or after ML maybe a week or so long.

...... or better yet why dont we just have a different season for every different caliber or type or firearm a person could possibly use??? why does it have to be so regulated and complicated? tell me, if its not about selfishness or greed, then what difference does it make if a deer is killed w/ a xbow on oct 1st, or a long bow on oct 15th? just allow any weapon that lauches a broadhead w/ enough power to kill humanely between oct 1st and nov 20th, and any weapon that fires a lead or copper projectile w/ enough power, between nov 21st and jan 1st , you get a certain amount of tags to be used before nov21st and a certain amount to use after, now doesnt that make alot more sense?

Again with the selfishness/greed?I'm not the one who wants it all here.

the selfishness/greed im talking about, doesnt refer to the weapon, like I said, I shoot compounds. It refers to trying to keep other potential hunters out of the woods during archery season. My point is, if its not a greed thing, why do you care if certain weapon, that potentially brings more hunters into the season, becomes legal? it cant be because of a theoretical increase in deer kill, because you can only legally kill what you have a tag in pocket for. If thats a concern, restrict the tags issued, not the weapon.

You wanna support the powers that be ,restricting perfectly efficient, or in your eyes, MORE efficient weapons, so be it ...not me!

"A handful of NYB members stood outside the conference room, as did several people who oppose hunting all together. And, had I not recognized some of the faces, or for the signs the NYB were holding, it would have been difficult to tell the two apart."

This quote from the article does NOT say the NYB members were with the others. It misleadingly says that both parties happened to be outside the conference room at the same time (possibly with totally different agendas...). I personally know and have known members including a former president. They are 100% hunting fanatics also. BUT...they rightfully so do NOT want to share the woods with crossbow hunters. Just as our "primitive NY muzzleloading season has become a non-primitive hunt, they are drawing a hard line in what they as a group want. Dont let the anti hunting groups feed you this malarky so easily.

And don't let a small handful of a group of less then 2% feed you info as gosphel they claim all bowhunters support.

i know of several people who were there and witnessed the NYBowhunters having tea and crumpets with the anti hunting group!!

"i know of several people who were there and witnessed the NYBowhunters having tea and crumpets with the anti hunting group!! "

So much of this discussion...and many other discussions...is given credit by people who "Know of people who were there..." but those who were actuallly there seem never to be heard from first hand.

Wouldnt' bother me. I use my bow for both seasons.


Honestly, what "other" hunters is it going to bring to the woods? I can see if someone cant' physically draw a compound.... maybe. But how many are we talking about that would bring to the woods? I would say it would draw existing gun hunters that are too lazy to do the leg work needed in bowhunting into the woods during bowseason because it would be "easier". They already have a season for hunters like that. It's called gun season. So yeah put x guns into gun season. It's all the same. Sorry i'm not one to sugar coat it with Politically correct BS. I just call it the way I see it. I also comment on what I've already heard from some such hunters mentioned above and that's the impression I got.

my biggest worry about crossbows is that many will not take the time to learn the weapon and its range of effectiveness ... i fear many will throw a scope on it shoot a target a few times and head for the woods and start launching arrows at animals just because they can see them in the scope which will equate to more wounded deer ..

there should be a class given on the weapons effectiveness at different ranges and its ineffectiveness beyond those ranges ... trad and compound bow hunters do take much more time when it comes to practicing for that one shot ...

How many bownunters do you suppose do not practice (if at all) prior to going afield and have wounded deer! Perhaps all bowhunters should be required to take a proficiency course prior to going afield(sic).

Sorry, but your argument does not hold water.

By the way have you picked out your crossbow yet?

Can somebody explain to me how a guy in the next tree stand or blind negatively impacts my bow hunt just because he is holding an x-bow as opposed to a compound, recurve or longbow?

I'll give you that his chances for taking a deer are a little higher than mine, as he can probably shoot accurately a bit further and he doesn't require as much movement when he shoots, but to oppose him on that basis is clearly a selfish one. That simply says you want more deer for yourself and you look at another hunters success as a bad thing for you.

I'll also give you that the legalization of x-bows may result in more hunters in the woods, but again, if that's the beef its also a selfish one. You think more hunters means more deer taken and therefore less for me. But as someone said, we limit the number of deer taken by the number of permits issued not the weapon.

I just don't see how allowing the next guy to be out there with an x-bow while I'm out there with a long bow hurts my enjoyment of the sport in any way. It's not a competition where fairness mandates that everyone is bound by precisely the same rules. Its a sport where we each pursue our quary in a manner that we choose, keeping in mind courtesy and resect for others out there doing the same.

Syl,

You make "good sense", perhaps the anti crossbow faction should just tell the truth as to why they are opposed to crossbows- "they are afraid of the added competition from crossbow hunters". LMAO

hey Z and that little detail about them not wanting anyone else shooting "THEIR DEER"...........

Well said.
I really have never seen the big reason for all of the whining about crossbows. I think it is selfishness by NYBowhunters and the like. They are still crying and crossbows (if passed) won't even be allowed in bow season - so what's the big worry (your precious bow season will remain the same). It's gun hunters that should be upset that that darn Xbow might be allowed in gun season!!! ;-) What I can't understand is why the proposed crossbow "season" isn't just that, a season with a separate tag (like a bow/muzzle/Xbow tag). With all the financial issues with the State & Conservation Fund, etc. why not charge for the privilege of hunting with a Xbow (just like any other implement). That seems like a no brainer to me but they overlooked/ignored it. Give it it's own season(s) - maybe first week of bow, a week in gun, and during muzzle (???) or some combination. I am a hunter (bow, rifle, shotgun, muzzle, pistol) and like using all of them. I am not running out to buy a crossbow (like I believe most people aren't) but also won't rule it out in the future (especially if it is given a season of it's own). It is time for the NYBowhunters to end their seflish rhetoric and get on board with uniting as HUNTERS.

Right on!

You have the give the NY Bowhunters credit for being so stupid as to not realize that crossbows will ultimately be introduced in NY as a legal hunting implement in all deer seasons. Its such a shame that such an organization who claims to represent NY bow hunters is so behind the times and has lost all credibility amongst the majority of the NY archery community.

By the way NYB, how is that membership drive going these days?

BooHoo thats all im reading here. The last time i checked this was America(USA) land of the free. Deerandbearhog nails all topics dead on. Like he said your only allowed what your given(tags).. All i want is Deer meat in the freezer to feed my big family! I dont care which way. I'm all for it(xbow). It would also allow me to let my kids get a chance to tag 1..

Selfish? Worried about them taking deer and hurting my chances? LMAO! The last thing I'm worried about when I'm hunting is what anyone else is doing. Believe me filling my tags has never and will never be a problem. Legalize grenades and machine guns and I'm still going to do my thing. For all the rah rah politically correct bandwagoners..... if you can't see the flipside of the argument you're naive or ignorant (or both). Just start bashing bowhunters as selfish blah blah blah. So be it.

You make a good argument for x-bows in the archery season. Just as it wouldn't bother you, it shouldn't bother anybody elses hunting either.

I am an avid archery hunter (compond bow). As an entire Sporting world we should welcome the introduction of crossbows. We are a dying breed (hunters as a whole). There are enough groups againt good responsible etical hunters. The last thing we need is, in fighting. Divide and conquer, PETA and all the other anit's love it. Speaking from a Southern Zone stand point If the season (crossbow/archery) opens Oct 1 till the Saturday rifle opens it is a win-win. Archery as a whole gains 2 more weeks of hunting and we get the opportunity to hunt with old friends who may have left the sport due to the inability to hunt in the colder weather or pull back the ole' bow. I don't want to see a seperate season only for the crossbow because it excludes people from the hunting camps. The CAMPS is what hunting season is all about. The people this effects most would be those who established the deer camps that we cherish so much. Please lets not forget the doors it may open for new hunters. The old hunters who couldn't do it any more will now take a renewed look at hunting and introduce some young blood to our dying sport/heritage.
I hope this wasnt jumbled together and makes scense I've been trying to write on this topic for a long time between work and chores (kids) at home it is difficult. theposted thoughts are between feedings. Take time to think about the positives and lets stop the in fighting..

Have a safe season everyone and welcome to our new/old hunting parnters
Rich Farino