Because it was never their intent to do so.

AND I didn't claim that they did or should manage the herd so everyone was successful.

BTB is the one that claimed the PGC previously managed the herd for ,"a one day shooting gallery."

[QUOTE]If you felt that was a put down, you must have some concerns about your level of commitment to take that so personally.[/QUOTE

I didn't take it personally. I took it as an insult to a significant number of PA hunters who view deer hunting as recreation,rather than a competitive event that requires a commitment of more time and money than many hunters can afford to make.

[quote=bluebird2;3580962]Just as I wouldnt expect to go golfing once a year and shoot a par neither should a one day hunter expect the same success rates as a guy who scouts all year. If you bowl once a year, it's probably pretty much a forgone conclusion you're not gonna roll a 200. If I dust off the bowling ball and roll a bad score, it aint the alleys fault! Same with deer hunting. The more you put into something, the more you get back.

Hunting is not a competitive sport to most although many of your posts reveal that it is just that to you. When someone here who supports AR posts a success story or a photo, most on this board congratulate the member. You on the other hand tend to come up with an rationalization of how that hunter somehow was extra lucky or had some unfair advantage. Youve suggested that I buy deer, you've suggested that I and others benefit from having access to better areas, You suggested that blkpowders buddy was just plain lucky when he got a nice muzzleloader buck in a place they'd scouted well and the most preposterous rationalization you've made over and over is that when DougE harvests multiple deer from public land all over 2G, he's benefitting from reduced pressure and now has his own de facto "preserve" on public land in 2G. Besides being just plain silly, All those posts are just bursting with competitiveness and jealousy.

And I suppose the fact that I don't even carry a weapon about half the time I spend hunting ,also makes me a very competitive hunter! May I suggest that you don't project your attributes on me.

The many jealous posts you've made rationalizing some percieved unfair advantage by any successful hunter exposes the unhealthy competitiveness better than anything I could project.

That's pretty funny considering it comes from a rack hunter who considers anyone that would harvest a spike to be an inferior hunter,
and who belittles anyone that doesn't make a commitment to do whatever it takes to harvest a buck.

Never said that. The only thing close is my criticizing a hunter who somehow places more value on that spike than on a doe.

Also not true. I am only critical of the few folks like you who simply refuse to recognize that most hunters who consistently harvest deer simply do the things that the routinely unsuccessful hunters wont do. I also have no problem with guys who are very casual about their hunting unless they turn around and decide to blame someone other than themselves for a lack of success.

Lets face it, a guy who says he can scout all he needs from his driveway (sound familiar?) shouldnt expect to see as many deer as the guy who watches and studies them year around.

I watch them and study them year around and thats why scouting from my driveway is enough for me. I live where I hunt and during the winter I am in the woods 6 or 7 days a week and during the spring,summer and fall I spend a lot more time outdoors than the vast majority of hunters.

A guy that hunts and area where the herd hasn't been reduced is going to see a lot more deer even if he doesn't scout, than the guy that hunts an area where the herd has been hammered and receives very high hunting pressure.

That's not true. On numerous occasions you belittled hunters that are satisfied with a spike or why, with no mention of valuing it more than a doe.

It's all about location boys.You can put anybody in the right place like say where Bill Jordon hunts and that person can tag a nice buck.On a smaller scale I know some not so good hunters who get buck almost every year in Chester county and places closer to Philly.Some happened into a great lease and others happened onto some prime family posted land.
Now on the other hand these a days to consistantly tag a buck on public land you better have time to scout and have decent knowledge of deer hunting.
Location location location
We need to be mobile and have patience.Our group which is basically my sons,me,and a friend or two have been killing bucks pretty much every year on land open to hunting but you gotta have a lot of patience because most times out you don't see a deer and the sightings throughout a season might hit 10 total if you're lucky.And that's alot of hours on stand.
I know quite a few one day hunters and most would be happy seeing a few deer a day but most times that's not the case because they're stuck on public land and can't invest the time or money to scout alot.
Until Doug and me go on our hike I'll say public land for the most part sucks.I haven't found any worthwhile in my travels hunting bear and turkey.
It comes back to location.Put any hunter where there's a boatload of deer and he'll tag one with a rifle.Location tops my list for success.