The PGC Reinvents The Wheel
12-23-2009 | 02:07 PM
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Jim, Latham was not a pioneer that all should follow. The man was a environmentalist with very extremist views and was actually fired from the game commission because of it, and the only reason pgc & audubon say otherwise is because they are currently like minded and also "the problem" just as Latham was back in the day. Lets keep things in proper persepective here. As with the shissler deal, when btb unknowingly posted his study findings as words as proof, only to find out later, and agree, that hes not the best guys views in the world to be supporting...
Well this is another such case. And its not because i dont agree with him or him me. He represented some very extreme positions where deer management is concerned.
Well this is another such case. And its not because i dont agree with him or him me. He represented some very extreme positions where deer management is concerned.
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12-23-2009 | 02:35 PM
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ITs an absolute joke that our "game commission" touts this guy as some kinda hero, and only goes to show how bad things really are with whos running our commission.
Just a few snippets from this antideer joker first from pgc website:
Just a few snippets from this antideer joker first from pgc website:
A tad melodramatic – "Much of Pennsylvania's deer range is now a desert – a forest desert with rotting bones of starved deer." - Roger Latham, 2/53 PA Game News
Yeah...Just a tad.
Then this little snippet from audubon (who also worship the guy):
"1950 Pennsylvania Game News, commission deer biologist Roger Latham wrote about a man who was presented by a good fairy with a pile of gold and a cloth bag. The fairy warned him not to take too much because the bag would rip, and he'd have nothing. But, blinded by greed, he kept piling in the gold until the seams gave way and he "was left holding the bag." "Were the deer hunters satisfied when the deer population was doubled from 1913 to 1915," demanded Latham, "doubled again by 1921, again by 1924, again in 1927, and again and again until at its peak the herd was estimated to have increased five hundred fold? Has not the game commission warned for the past 20 years that the bag contained more gold than it could safely hold?" He inquired if deer should be managed by "well-trained wildlife men or . . . the whims, fancies, and selfish desires of the deer hunters themselves." Choosing whims, fancies, and selfish desires, the hunters had him fired."
Whats the problem you ask? One wouldnt need to ask if you knew that the "selfish deer hunters" who wanted so many deer and were so unreasonable harvested a whopping grand total of 1,287 deer in 1915 according to pgc. Kinda puts a whole different spin on things dont it? Musta been a HUGE herd gobbling up everything in site statewide no doubt. lol.
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12-25-2009 | 03:43 PM
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In 2008 64% of the harvest was antlerless deer. Based on the following quote it looks like we are still reducing the herd.
Take enough – “Normally a deer herd expands in size by about 30
percent per year through reproduction. If losses are smaller than that
figure, the size of the herd will increase. The annual antlered deer
harvest accounts for only some 12 to 15 percent of the herd, and if the
total population is to remain at a constant level, it is necessary to remove
an additional 12 to 15 percent through antlerless harvests. Elimination
of the antlerless season would produce an explosion in whitetails that
would soon get out of hand.” – Game Commission biologist Dale Sheffer,
Report to PFSC in 6\80 PA Game News
percent per year through reproduction. If losses are smaller than that
figure, the size of the herd will increase. The annual antlered deer
harvest accounts for only some 12 to 15 percent of the herd, and if the
total population is to remain at a constant level, it is necessary to remove
an additional 12 to 15 percent through antlerless harvests. Elimination
of the antlerless season would produce an explosion in whitetails that
would soon get out of hand.” – Game Commission biologist Dale Sheffer,
Report to PFSC in 6\80 PA Game News
12-26-2009 | 04:22 PM
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You wouldn't know a factual debate if it hit you square between the eyes, because you never provide facts to support your opinions. If you want to dispute the facts I posted , please feel free to provide a link to information that refutes what I posted. But, you can't do it and that means you are just blowing smoke.
12-26-2009 | 05:38 PM
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You wouldn't know a factual debate if it hit you square between the eyes, because you never provide facts to support your opinions. If you want to dispute the facts I posted , please feel free to provide a link to information that refutes what I posted. But, you can't do it and that means you are just blowing smoke.
I'll go easy on ya Larry just cause its Christmas,
But carrying on an intellectual debate with you is like saying Tiger might be jumping the fence, the rest of the real world knows its true but unless some one burns it into a 2 X 4 and then hits you across your hat insignia you just don't get it.
