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Three deer three days. 8 pt Monday , 7:57, Tuesday 6 Pt , 7: 31 ,. Fat meat doe on wednesday 10:34. All from the front yard. Eat your hearts out Pa people. Best move I every made. Total deer seen in three days were 19 buck and 63 doe. And I was very selective. Get smart Pa people and hammer your PA. game commission. People that dont stand up for their rights dont deserve any. And all at 600.00 a acre. Good luck on Monday socializing with the orange army and 2 deer per square Mile. Just trying to wake you Pa. people up. Dont mean any disrespect. And no you all aint welcome here unless you follow are rules. Fix your own problems up there. Arrogant maybe , Honest yes.

i dont hunt in pa but i still dont think id understand what your talking about in this post if i did, are you saying people should buy land out of state or somthing:confused2: , you might want to clarify your points. congrats on the deer though:biggrin:

Congrats Cardeer, I'm glad you are happy!

I was basically speaking to The Pa people that are always complaining. Get up your Guts , Gonands and face the Pa. No game comission. Its all up to the hunters to do so. Just because the No Game commission says you can shoot 800,000 does not mean it is right. Our destiny is in our hands not some Nazi origanzation. I got sick of the lack of fellow hunters coop. And seen a gloomy pic in Pa. Moved to a area of another state that stick together and supports the hunters right to have 65 to 80 deer per Sg mile. I still own property in Pa and see the fight and Greed in the woods. Yea! for me and shaft you is the attitude. Plus the cheap attitude, God forbid dont ask the average deer hunter in Pa to spend money to feed the deer thru food plots. My God in Pa. that makes you a devil follower. Plus the wifey might cut you off if she cant have her goodies. Praise the government they will fix everything. Everyones destiny is in your own hands not some socialist agenda. Just trying to motivate some concerned souls. seriously have a good day in the Pa No game Nazi woods. Most of all be safe !!!!!!!

I am happy that move worked out for you Bob. Sounds like you are in for some good eating.

i am totally lost...did i miss where you moved to?

PA is doing fine for me, i have yet to not get a deer since i began hunting 15 years ago, and am on a 7 year buck streak...and no, not 3 points and "scrub" bucks as some call them...i am a meat hunter first

glad things worked out for you though...no pics?

You sound more bitter than arrogant.

West virginia, 104 acres with about 71 deer that pass thru. I hunted Pa for 51 years and it will never compare to here. But yes to have the amount I have it will cost you . How much have you put in to the Pa system in 15years ,other then the scamp huntin license ??? How much in food plots ?, feeder food ? You acheive , others starve. My Point exactly. Everyone gets a deer down here, Even if we as landdowners put out thousands. Just ask a Pa person to do that so everyone has a chance, FAT CHANCE. My Bucks might be scrap compared to yours , Big Whoop everyone gets one down here. And believe me in years past I shot my share of big ones in Pa, Iowa, South Texas, Kansas, Mo.,S.C,Virginia, Alabama But after years of self ego problems I realized the bigger picture was more important. Whats the bigger Pic ??? That a youth can actually go out and see a deer, a disabled old man can sit in his yard of 50 years and see a deer anytime. It aint that way in most Pa anymore. The property I have in Pa. aint sidewalk sissy stuff. But still eventhough it is in the High deer populated area of SE Pa ( Joke ) Your lucky to see 3 deer a month. Aint that just great ???????. The same property in 1970 had 40 deer on it. WOW what a great acheivement the PGC have made, Because myself included and all others allowed it to happen and failed. Shame on me I admit. But the system is broke up there. I would never take multible does on my WV property, Because my neighbor needs one also. Pa has become selfcentered and greedy as hunters. Their own greed has led to the destruction of the deer heard. I am glad you you have a good spot,really. But if it is someone elses private land , please flip them a cool 1000.00 this year. Oh the days of Tioga county Pa first day of deer season, 100 deer a day.OK everone blast me.I need something to do. Oh I have a 4 pointer bedding on my front porch and it eats apples off a 5 foot pole. No I will never shoot that deer. I think it is a retard like me. I live 1 mile up on a private Gated drive in the middle of the mountains and my yard will fill up with 40 deer tonight. Why ? I invest and not become a greedy monger. Last all the does Whopee

Just because you don't have what it takes to harvest a deer in Pa. anymore don't be bitter towards the rest of us. You moved to a place where its alot easier to kill a deer. I'am happy for you.

Wow,I'm impressed.I'm also kinda of discouraged that you find it necessary to have so many deer to make it easy enough to kill them from your front porch.I'm glad that the PGC finds your lack of logic unreasonable.

You don't have to feel sorry for me.So far I've killed 4 doe and a nice 8 point.Best part is,I didn't have to spend one red cent to do it other than to buy a hunting lisence and several dmap tags.I have access to hundreds of thousands of public property that starts less than a mile from my house.There is no orange army.In fact,I've yet to see another hunter in the woods all season long.I can't wait to hike to the top of a mountain on monday and enjoy the solitude of the gem that this part of Pa offers.I don't expect to see 70 deer but if I'm lucky enough to tie my tag on one or two more,I'll feel like I actually worked for something.I actually for sorry for a guy that's so bitter that he complains about everything and feels the need to shoot a deer from his porch.Pretty pathetic attitude actually.Glad you took up residence in WV.

I am not bitter with no one more then myelf for letting the Pa game nazis warp my mind. Shoot all the does get big deer. What a joke . Alt fooled me also for a while. The problem with most good people in Pa is they have never hunted around the country or world to see what is out there. My first trip to Iowa I expected to see big bucks and few doe. Thats what I was led to believe if I listened to Alt. Guess what A one to one deer ration there 9 huge bucks to 16 doe the firtst day. But yet the bucks were big. Why must we kill does to acheive the one to one ratio ? Bring the buck population up to the doe herd size. Equels more deer. One deer for everyone. The second day in Iowa 33 doe 19 buck , but yet the state produces some of the biggest bucks each year. WHY ? FOOD. That is our responsibilty to supply the food in any State you hunt. Trust in any Government Org to do that is a mistake. Take the deer by the antlers and do it yourself. Manage your own property . A Obama stimulus mentality to deer management is a socialist mistake.Pats When you get up to a 345 buck count in 50 years ,then tell me I cant hack it. I have even stabbed a deer to death in 1979.My point I dont need to kill anything, I left dozens of deer walk by me on monday. The point I want to see deer in deer season, not chipmunks or hunters

Doug 4 Doe I find that disgusting, Your part of the problem. I have at least 50 doe on my property and would never consider that. I would not brag You didnt spend a dime while some poor guy seen nothing. But we all have our opinions Shoot some more and in a couple of years it will come back to haunt you. Yes I am glad I am in WV also. When I first bought my property here the locals came to me and said. If you think your going to do what you guys in pa did to the deer heard you better leave now. The reputation of Pa is not good down here. Tell you what I have 112 acres in SE pa I will sell you. Got 3 deer on it Have a good evening, enjoy , be safe and confront socialist game commissions no matter where your at. Have a restfull night I will be losing my power in a couple minutes. I am on solar batteries

SO I guess, I should quit my job, move my family to a place where I can harvest a deer? I can drive 15 minutes from where I live and harvest a deer. Im glad you found your piece of heaven. But to be honest, I live in a great place and am happy that I can harvest a deer every year. Good Luck to you!

This is too much. I think you lost your mind, Cardeer.

First; glad you are happy with your little hunting honey hole. But at 65 to 80 deer per square mile, you can expect a crash "n" burn in the size of the herd and their body weight.

I have to agree with Pats, it seems to me that you have some issues. Did you ever stop to think that some people don't have the means to just up and move to another state. Possibly, because of family, work etc. If you moved to better yourself, good for you. I don't think it is right to air your opinion on the good vs bad of PA when you left it to move to WV. We Pa hunters know that we live/hunt under a flawed system. Standing up for yourself is one thing, but to criticize those of us who still love this State, are proud of it, come on. I guess the analogy of love it or leave, shows that you left it. If you are so against the system, which you criticize, then why didn't you try to do something? I have no beef with you, but I think it is wrong to criticize us for not doing something when you left this state. Believe me, I don't agree with all that is done, but change doesn't happen overnight. Then again, if you don't get your way, you can always move to another state.

KC

Tongue and cheek my friend, Yep nobody should raise their family ,submit their family to a community of rules , anti- God legislation and any thing less then property control by the head of household. To submit your family to a sidewalk sissy community is a mistake. No GOVERNMENT brain washing public schools. All I am saying contribute out of your pocket to the hunting community instead of stealing from it. You shoot one deer you replace 2. Sponges eventually ROT. Buy all the country open land you can, skip the worldly posessions. Then manage YOUR land your way. And tell the PGC to go stick it. Dont follow the road of one world destruction. NEXT China will be writing the Game laws. By the way I had 27 deer walk thru my yard today, Never fired a shot ,even though the State Government said I should. If you dont stand up for your rights , WHAT ever they are , Dont complain of the future . I respect you ALLS opinion, I just might not agree. IF YOU CANT HANG YOUR DEAD DEER IN YOUR YARD WITHOUT NEIGHBORS COMPLANTS , MOVE. LIBERAL MORONS THAT WILL POLLUTE YOUR KIDS MINDS. ( Tongue and cheek )

I can hang deer in my yard - still have trouble equating front porch hunting with quality.

:bash: WOW!!!

First of all congrats cardeer on your success!! Man that would be nice to have deer numbers like that up this way.. But unfortunately they wouldn't make it threw the winter months up here with numbers that high.. Heck even with our low numbers they have a difficult time making it threw just one winter.. Coyotes and the like have thier toll on them as well as bears and cats.. I have seen the food plots that work OK for them and then some feeders that look to be working great as well. The feeders atract the deer alright but then they are getting run over crossing the roads.. So that would be 2 folded up this way.. Some areas like your might work great but up here it wouldn't do us much good. If the deer are not run over then the yotes will have a feast watching for them to come to the feeders.. So it would be great if the winter deer yards were off limits to wood cutters and the like so the deer can survive better.. Less snow under foot means a better chance of escape from predators and the like.. But then again as you know I am farther north than PA so my input may not mean all that much..

If that is what floats your boat, great. Personally, I don't want 27 deer in my yard destroying everything. I don't want to see them standing along the road at night ready to do thousands of dollars worth of damage to my trucks either. I like them just the way they are here in Pa. If I want to see deer, I will go in the woods and look for them. I don't want them to find me. It can cost me alot of money when they do.

Pats you hit the nail on the head, by saying if you want to go see a deer then you will go look for it. I guess cardeer doesnt like a challenge anymore so the deer can come to him. I would rather "work" for my deer. It seems more gratifying to me that way.

Anyone on here who knows me, knows that I have had my share of "beefs" with the Game Commission....far from their biggest fan, but at the same time, DD of 65-80 dpsm, and front porch hunting isn't exactly my idea of how things should be, either. Unless you are handicapped (or just lazy) why not get off your porch and enjoy bagging a deer on a ridgetop, or down in a swamp. Your land, do what you want...but even if I did have high DD I would still not stay on my porch to hunt. Kinda turns the hunting into just killing. Might as well shoot them from a truck..it's the same damn thing, and that's why they only issue those vehicle permits to the disabled. Hope you have lots of fresh timber cuts on your property for the winter, and supplemental food sources, or you will see winter killls if the snow piles up or crusts over.

I have beefs also. and my biggest gripe is the size of the WMUs. They should go by each county or smaller. to many areas are getting draged in to HR that don't need it because they are tied in to areas that need it but have limited access.

And thats fine. If thats they way he wants to do it, he has every rite to make it happen. What cracks me up is the posts, I killed a deer eat your heart out Pa. A little childish form a guy who claimed to have hunted around world.

Agreed. I'd also like to see the public land/ private land alloctaions separated. I remember they did it for all of one or two seasons, where your second tag was only good on private land....I really thought that plan had potential....helped stem the slaughter on the public lands. I fact, I wish they would take it a step further and micromanage each public tract...they have already PROVEN they can do it by the DMAP program. It would be easy for each district forester or game lands manager to assess and reccomend a limited number of tags for each SGl or state forest based on their observations working that parcel all year. You would have to specifically apply for a tag for that forest or sgl. All private landowners would recieve tags for their own land, to be divided among their hunters as seen fit. The red tag program already operates this way basically. Also any landowner could also effectively prevent doe harvest on their land by simply not applying for the tags to begin with. I dunno...but it does seem that much more could be done to manage the units more effectively. Ie, Bald Eagle State Forest Tract "A" (From no name rd to Jones township line)- 400 tags....SGL 99- 200 tags..etc

funny how cardeer won't contribute since we all caught the "hunt from my porch"

typical hunt for you man...what a morning, woke up late, ate breakfast, put a stalk on a buck, had to really ease that door open, for fear he would spook, or wind my burnt toast...glad it all came together from my porch stand

HELLO...you have a problem with "sportsmen" i don't think you shooting a deer from your porch is very "sporting" i thought you hated PA, then the PGC, then PA hunters, man who knows now

no thanks, i will put in the work, driving for men three times my age, seeing a ton of deer (explain 44 deer i saw last night in 2 hours before dark while watching over a cutaway i will be in tomorrow morning), enjoying myself to the fullest, and why?

'Cause that's true huntin' buddy

While we dont need to see 30 deer from our porches here in Pa, I dont think it matters much, because we are at the opposite extreme generally speaking.

As i see it, if complete and utter mismanagement were not occurring, this discussion wouldnt even be taking place.

Get the econut arseholes out of the Pennsylvania Game Commission!

I agree with the WMUs we need to go back to the county management. The county I live in is split up into two different WMUs and to put us with one that has a big city in it just isnt fair. While I too, have my beefs with the PGC, they arent gonna win and make me move out of the area. If I move out of the area it will be either cuz I need a new job or Im too old and cant handle the cold no more......lol

I guess most people left on this site don't know cardeer. He is an icon here on HNI with around 16,000 posts and one of a kind. If anyone has one of the old reunion pictures please post.

i guess if i save all the time i put into the woods...instead of hunting from my porch...then i would have time to post 16,000 times and be an icon too

OK I found an old picture of Cardeer and friends in the archives. I found it in one of priz's posts a long while back. I can't think of a better post to come off # 10,000 than to repost this picture taken a long time ago with some of the founding fathers of HNI. All you young eager beavers take a look at a true sportsman. If he wants or needs to hunt off his porch now he deserves to. If you never read his posts then you missed something special. This was taken during the era when HNI was tops.

Thanks for sharing the pic C.I. ... I can remember some of the stuff from when I first joined.. There was a lot of good things flying around on these forums about him and those necklaces he had given out.. I used to see quite a bit of posting from the Taz as well.. Every once in a while a few posts will show up from ArcticBowMan but not very many.. Cardeer is in fact quite an icon to this site from all the info that flew around on these forums..

When I was looking for the cardeer pic I saw some of ArcticBowMan and that guy has some great trophy pics. The real deal and owner of more than one cardeer necklace. Those must have had some powerful mojo. I wish the mods would merge his two identities and give him back the original cardeer name. Since it was caused by the system and they said it could be fixed I wonder why it never was made right.

Cardeer, You talk about family but from reading your posts over the years you weren't there much for your's when your kids were growing up were you?

I don't have a problem with a guy shooting a deer from his porch,as long as it's legal.I do have a problem with that guy saying that there should be so many deer that shooting one from the porch is as hard as one should have to hunt.It's the venomous nature of the posts and outlandish demands and conspiacy theories that does no one any good.

Yeah Doug. You keep telling people that. Thats what is causing hunting in pa to decline. Its all the unfounded conspiracy theories & their "venomous nature". Pgc plays no role, in fact they are the victims in all this. lmao.:lmao:

On a serious note, I see no problem with someone shooting a deer from the porch. Though it may be a surprise to more urban folks.

A rifle can shoot hundreds of yards and a house out in the sticks isnt gonna definately have worse habitat within gun range than if no house had been there, and could be better than elsewhere on the property. And unless someone has dogs running loose and kids regularly playing out, I dont see houses in the country "scaring" deer. Ive never hunted from anyones porch though Id taken bucks archery season well within 200 yards of residences on more than one occassion through the years. Hunt where the deer are. If thats right off your porch, more power to ya.

I archery hunt 50 yards from sandmounds, and take my gun for nature walks each December.