Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3511768)

Yes, I could explain it quite easily, but if you had to ask the question ,you obviously wouldn't understand the answer!!!!

If you can't count the number of months on your fingers , also try using your toes!!!!

Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3511768)

Yes, I could explain it quite easily, but if you had to ask the question ,you obviously wouldn't understand the answer!!!!

If you can't count the number of months on your fingers , also try using your toes!!!!

Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3511817)

If you would have used your toes as I suggested , you would have added the 10 additional months that doe lived to it's first hunting season after it was trapped and tagged in Jan.:bash:.

Originally Posted by BTBowhunter (Post 3511633)

Also notable on the very first page was that the original findings that 80% of 2G does survive the hunting season have been further supported by the continued research which was modified to account for the theory that hunters would be less likely to harvest collared deer.

Of course that 80% doe survival probably would be blown away if they followed Doug around :s4:

BTW Doug, whats the body count up to these days?


Also noteworthy is the piece about deer contraceptives. It's still basically an impractical tactic for now but it's probably just around the corner and unless hunters step up and harvest more does in areas like 2B, 2A most of the 5's etc it'll come on like a steam roller one day and further erode our percieved value to the non huniting masses.

Cant ignore the huge disparity between hunting pressure on public vs private land in 2G either. Our old buddy Sproul and our other hunting bretheren up that way are obviously accurate when they complain that the public ground up that way gets hit much harder....at least close to the roads.

Originally Posted by Cornelius08 (Post 3511728)

btb, why on earth would pgc want to harvest more deer in 2A when the goal was stabilization and the herd is still being reduced? Remember its not an sra like 2b which you lumped together with 2a in your statement where human conflict is supposedly high due to urban areas etc... I guess that means you dont support the goals of stabilization or herd increase where deemed appropriate? That has been the goal, even if pgc hasnt been adhering to it, just like most other wmus where reduction ISNT supposed to be the goal, but is occurring anyway. To support statewide blanket slaughter even where pgc claimed its no longer necessary is a bit of an extremist view isnt it?

Doug says; "I have to laugh when people whine and cry about the lack of deer in 2G."

I have to laugh when a few support anything and everything said by pgc, and claim to love wmus with deer density averages around 10 when it could be and probably should be double that. Kinda speaks to "other" agendas. lol. To love killing doe as much as you to save the hobblebush and trillium would make you a prime candidate to work for whitebuffalo. You share many of the same views.

"Hunters may be accounting for 70% of the mortality in certain areas and in years with good weather."

No...I believe that would be in an AVERAGE year. Meaning with better than average weather MORE would be killed. Also since 70% were spoken of as an average, some areas would be lower as you stated, so others would be HIGHER as well to average it out.

"That doesn't account for the reduced fawn recruitment rate however."

Neither does the pgc annual reports which show deer reproductive herd health among the highest in the state.

Originally Posted by DougE (Post 3511884)

So far I've killed one nice 8 point and 4 does and I did it hunting only saturdays and by taking off two afternoons during the week the entire season.The count will increase substantially over the next two weeks and ito the late season.

Originally Posted by DougE (Post 3511886)

Over the years,I've disagreed with many of the PGC's decisions.I still don't agree with everything in the deer management plan but I do agree that the herd needed reduced and that the hunting is poor.