Is this Archery?
 

Where will it go from here?
CROSSGUN!

I dunno but that is awesome

I agree, it is awesome. I think crossguns are cool. But what is happening to archery as we know it?

The thing actually looks kinda cool as you said but I personally don't want to see it in the woods.

But, In all fairness, I can understand a stickbow guy having the exact same gut reaction to one of the newer tricked out compounds.

How far is too far? Every man has a different measuring stick for this question. That thing went past the end of mine when it comes to calling it archery.

JMHO

I would use it if it were legal in my area...and I do believe crossbows should be legal...but I think they should be legal only in the gun season. They are not traditional archery. Just because you put a sharp point on a stick does not make it archery. If it has a trigger, it is a gun.

If that is archery, then baiting is hunting

Innovation and technology are the American way I guess. Maybe those of us that are under the opinion that archery is about pulling the resistance, and holding the energy in one's arms until a smooth release can be accomplished in the presence of wary game...well, maybe we are just dinosaurs or something. That defines archery to me more than two limbs and a string in exclusivity.

Well if you're a dinosaur, then, so am I. I guess we'll be extinct soon:bash:

carefull guys you're comenting on a weapon that LOOKS like an assualt weapon It's still just a crossbow that is the same reaction some people have about tricked out shotguns

I am not referring to the visual of "assault weapon". I am talking about how far we will deviate from the original concept of archery season. That thing is not some clunky crossgun. It is an extremely precision "Bolt gun" or spear gun etc.

Where I live an AR lower must be registered as a rifle so I guess I would consider it a rifle. Regardless I wouldn't want to walk around in the wods with that monstrosity.

How far do you think we have deviated from the primitive muzzloader seasons? IMO the current inlines are nothing more than rifles loaded one component at a time.

Bob

Flintlock season is still flintlock season in PA. The inlines can only be used during the special ML doe hunt in October or during any regular firearms deer season. They may not be used in flintlock season after Christmas.
Sorry, but try again.

You can't even use percussion cap guns during flintlock season in PA.

A modern decked out compound is as far from traditional archery as you can get. Or are you talking about your own "tradition"?


So the 98% plus of compounds shot with a release/ aka trigger are guns?

I know that the only way I would use one in place of a bow, is if the drawing and holding a bow became near impossible for me. Hopefully that day will come, when I am so old that I resort to using one just to stay active in the archery season. I don't believe an able bodied hunter should be permitted to use one during archery season.

It's a cool toy to have, but I wouldn't use it in the woods. I sold my AR a few months ago or I'd be hiding a purchase from my wife.

Sorry dude......but in Maine baiting......is hunting and crossbows are legal during gun season for deer not bow season.

i'd luv to have one, bet they cost a fortune...that aint legal means durin archery here, unless you have a legit upper limb disability....but it is legal fer rifle season...maybe it should be legal fer muzzy season too, since they carry less energy than a muzzy does...or maybe jus add a steroid ed out xbow season in there followin a (also added) "normal" xbow season....but thats gonna be harder than any rifle shot.....if they had this technology when robin hood was around ( totally contradicting i know) but thats what would be in the museum behind 1" Plexiglas and you cant touch it...


n e waz...thats harder than a rifle IMO....400fps vs 4200fps 10%(my maf aint so good)

thats the way it is in wisconsin...

I don't consider a crossbow as archery equipment, but don't have a problem at all if crossbows have their own season for people who want to use them for whatever reason, or are handicapped. Just don't mix them in with what is considered archery...compound and recurve.

i read the description, it is a crossbow on a rifle looking stock, big deal

I have been reading the responses and i do have an opinion (they are like a*^holes, everybody has them). First off i hunt with a compound and my good friend hunts with a recurve. We were discussing the crossbow situation and came to the conclusion that our sport is a dying sport. People are just not hunting anymore or passing it along to the next generation. If the use of crossbows gets more people involved in our sport then I am for it. I will probably get hammered for that opinion but it is mine and i will stand behind it.

To me hunting is hunting and i'm ok with any means of meat in the freazer ,

By "traditional archery" I meant pulling a string and holding it back with your arms till you release it. A release or "trigger" as you call it on a compound bow is not the same a a trigger on a crossbow. With a crossbow, you have nothing to hold on your own. The trigger on a crossbow releases an arrow that is being held for you. That is no different than a loaded gun with just less velocity. The release on a compound is an option and not everybody uses one. It is still used in conjunction with your own arms to hold back the string. Yes compound bows have made pulling and holding easier but you still have to do it with your own strength. As I said, I would use a crossbow during gun or muzzle season though.

Crossbows are not archery but I'm starting to think their inclusion isn't going to be as big of a deal as I originally thought.Something like described earlier is getting out of hand however.

What I don't get is why its such a big deal, if you don't want to use a xbow during archery season don't. If someone else does, how is it going to make any difference to you. Now if a xbow made a big bang like a shotgun or rifle and had the deer all running for their lives or going nocturnal that is one thing. I don't see someone using a xbow a few properties over making my compound bow hunting any different.

boringgggggggg.

When I had two xgunners trespass on me, block the driveway and leave their car doors open, and wound a doe a few years back, I heard the shot from almost 200 yards away. Them things do make a hell of a racket. One shooter on your property will spook all the game off it. The deer scatter like hell when them things go off. They did not follow up on the shot BTW.

The topic was actually if they fit in archery, given the nature of them versus a drawn bow.

I have tried out top end crossbows to see what all the hoopla was about.

I do not own one, never plan on hunting with one, and personally do not understand why physically capable people would want to use them?

They are awkward unless you get a reverse mount design where the limbs are actually mounted backwards on the stock.

They are louder than any decent compound.

It would be nearly impossible to shoot one directly out of the back of your treestand.

The velocity and energy is similar to a top end compound, and effective range is no farther.....despite what this article claims.

They do have an advantage when it comes to drawing in the presence of game. That is a fact. I have successfully drawn in the presence of various big game animals over 200 times now, so that fact does not bother me.

They do have an advantage with beginners accuracy. it is slightly easier for a novice archer to become marginally proficient with a good quality crossbow than with a compound. However, when we are talking about shooting both weapons offhand, in the hands of a skilled archer the vertical compound is vastly superior. This fact is proven by multiple archers every single year at national and world target archery tournaments around the globe.

The point is often made that crossbows are for people who are too lazy to learn how to shoot a vertical bow. Sad as it is to admit the truth, I have seen just how lazy many vertical bow hunters can be. I have been the president of archery at a rather large archery club for many, many years, and have witnessed things on a regular basis that made me shudder. I have donated more time, and even equipment in an effort to help some of the archers who would accept help to get themselves and their equipment right prior to taking to the field than I care to remember.

Crossbow inclusion this year is new to PA. I fully expect to see an increase in hunters, and crossbow usage. I fully expect that increase to diminish rapidly as the previously gun only hunters will soon realize that the crossbow alone does not help with scent control, camouflage, or the knowhow needed to close the distance. That is NOT a knock on gun only hunters, it is simply my opinion as to how this will play out. I think full crossbow inclusion will add to our ranks in the longterm, and I think that is a good thing.

Crossbows are not the devils spawn, and out of the 100 people nationwide that will own a TAC-15, not a single one of them will EVER see a one inch-100 yard group out of their crossbow, not even off of sandbags.

That simply is not true. I have seen deer that didn't even respond to the report of centerfire rifles fired within 100 yds of the deer.

Bottom line some people don't want more hunters in the woods during archery season. Selfish at best. BTW no I do not use a X bow.